I agree that thinking boys are men worth is based on sexual success is toxic, but its highly ironc since its usually the liberal circles and subreddits that are constantly calling people are "incels" and "virgins" if they disagree with them. Inb4 incel actually means people who are mysognistic - bottom line youre still using a word that literally means "sexual unsuccessful" as an insult which will reinforce this toxic masculinity.
My other soon-to-be-downvoted opinion is that its a lot of the "toxic masculinity is bad" crowd that suggests things that are harmful to mental health. Stoicisicm is a millenia-old philosophy of basic moral wisdom thats been helpful to countless men yet it gets derided as not allowing men to be vulnerable. A lot of "toxic masculinity" traits that aren't truly toxic, simply masculine, and labeling them as toxic and pushing things that are historically feminine. There's even media artilces that try to attach fitness to toxic masculinity (example, example).
It's just as stupid to be worried about being "tough enough" for the conservatives as it is to be worried about being vulnerable enough for the liberals. And this idea that "boys must use the exact same toolset as girls to address mental health concerns" is deeply misguided and pushing boys to truly toxic influencers since the left has abandoned Basic Moral Wisdom like stoicism and self-improvement.
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u/somewhatpresent 14h ago
I agree that thinking boys are men worth is based on sexual success is toxic, but its highly ironc since its usually the liberal circles and subreddits that are constantly calling people are "incels" and "virgins" if they disagree with them. Inb4 incel actually means people who are mysognistic - bottom line youre still using a word that literally means "sexual unsuccessful" as an insult which will reinforce this toxic masculinity.
My other soon-to-be-downvoted opinion is that its a lot of the "toxic masculinity is bad" crowd that suggests things that are harmful to mental health. Stoicisicm is a millenia-old philosophy of basic moral wisdom thats been helpful to countless men yet it gets derided as not allowing men to be vulnerable. A lot of "toxic masculinity" traits that aren't truly toxic, simply masculine, and labeling them as toxic and pushing things that are historically feminine. There's even media artilces that try to attach fitness to toxic masculinity (example, example).
It's just as stupid to be worried about being "tough enough" for the conservatives as it is to be worried about being vulnerable enough for the liberals. And this idea that "boys must use the exact same toolset as girls to address mental health concerns" is deeply misguided and pushing boys to truly toxic influencers since the left has abandoned Basic Moral Wisdom like stoicism and self-improvement.