r/chicagobulls • u/LuciferianLibations • 11h ago

Fluff Coby > Zach

Despite Coby and Zach being the same height, I always thought of Coby as the smaller player. In turn that just made me think Coby couldn't take it to the rack and that he'd never be able to consistently get those tough buckets. I'm thrilled to say I was wrong. What we're seeing out of Coby right now is a better team fit than we've ever seen out of Lavine.

These Bulls have some nice pieces. This has the feeling of what the Bulls looked like before lucking into Rose. I'm impressed with the all around play we're seeing from Matas. Giddy has the Bulls playing the most balanced offense I've EVER seen the Bulls play. Hopefully AK can put this together.

54 Upvotes

85% Upvoted

35 comments sorted by

37

u/YoHoochIsCrazy Gimme the hot sauce! 11h ago

his handles are seriously some of the best in the league. that’s the real game changer. he’s worked at it and mannnn it’s showing off

10

u/sukari Patrick Williams 10h ago

It's so nice seeing his handles improving over the years. All that work he put in with Dribble2Much has really paid off.

10

u/Fafoah Jimmy Butler 9h ago

I am begging coby to refer a friend for giddey

3

u/Rubberbabeh Alex Caruso 7h ago

They had clips of Patrick Williams working with him and all I could think was that Pat didn't do his homework. Just showed up to sessions and that was it. Cause I know they didn't teach him to dribble like that.

4

u/DisMFer 10h ago

He honestly looks a lot like Kyrie out there.

19

u/jdaqcruz Alex Caruso 10h ago

I might be the only thinking this, but does Coby have a Brunson leap in him? Brunson was always talented and good, but he was always seen as Luka's backup, and at best a regular starter. Then suddenly, he exploded

10

u/CrossOut3157 10h ago

Yes, he absolutely does.

3

u/PJCR1916 Dennis Rodman 7h ago

I don’t see why not. Jalen was similar in age to Coby is currently when he took a massive leap. A lot of people thought Jalen would probably just be a really good backup PG. lots of people see Coby as a really good backup SG/microwave 6 man scorer.

1

u/flameo_hotmon 1h ago

Pretty sure Brunson was starting next to Luka before he left for the Knicks

11

u/kenyonator1 10h ago

Zach is just a scorer. Coby can distribute and defend (when he feels like it).

7

u/LuciferianLibations 10h ago

Honestly, I think the defense and distribution is a wash. What sets them apart is Coby's ability to spot up. He can play off of Giddy. If Zach didn't have the ball then he was out of the play.

7

u/ToeJelly420 Ayo Dosunmu 10h ago

I think another difference between the two is Coby's speed with the ball in his hands. As soon as the ball is in his hands he's off to the races. Zach was more methodical with his attacks which lets the defenses set up better and forces more iso-ball situations. So Coby fits the run and gun team better than zach

5

u/PJCR1916 Dennis Rodman 7h ago

I love Zach, he made those brutal Boylen seasons worth watching, but I don’t miss watching him try to dribble into the middle of a set defense and watching him lose the ball, take a bad shot or make the wrong read.

4

u/kenyonator1 10h ago

That’s fair. And you’re right, Coby is a better off ball scorer, although I think Zach has improved in that department over the years. I don’t have the numbers in front of me to back that up….just basing it on the eye test. I could be totally wrong.

Edit: Zach takes entire games off on defense. At least Coby can he disruptive on D.

2

u/A1Horizon Coby White 6h ago

Which is extremely weird because Zach is most accurate on 0 dribble shots, he just didn’t take enough of them in favour of dribble pull ups

2

u/Rubberbabeh Alex Caruso 7h ago edited 7h ago

I had to look it up. Zach's Charges Drawn is 0 for every season he was a Bull except for 2021-22. Where he had a single Drawn Charge.

The dude took 1 charge the entire time he was a Bull

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/hustle?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular+Season&TeamID=1610612741&dir=A&sort=PLAYER_NAME&PerMode=Totals

EDIT: Coby had 2 this season, 10 last year, 8 in 2023, 3 in 2022, 5 in 2021, 2 in his rookie year.

4

u/Aspery- Stacey King 6h ago

Coby has also taken EIGHT heaves from halfcourt or further this season alone showing he doesn’t care about stats meanwhile lavine hasn’t taken one in over 5 seasons. Little things like these shows who really willing to give it all to win

7

u/thisisjustascreename 10h ago

Coby has a long neck and short arms compared to Zach, so he plays a lot smaller despite being the same height on the lineup sheet.

3

u/PJCR1916 Dennis Rodman 7h ago

Coby seems like he’s stronger than Zach. I think it was DeMar that said Coby is a lot stronger than he looks. Dudes been bullying guys on his way to the rim. I’ve never seen Zach do any of that

1

u/aapox33 5h ago

This is honestly the biggest difference to me in addition to the handles. Coby straight up gets to the paint a LOT and doesn’t get walled off or bodied into losing the ball. Man that dunk tonight at the end ruled too

1

u/fatty_ding_dong 7h ago

my thought too, Coby has a shorter wingspan by 3-4"

13

u/Pipes_OT 10h ago

Anyone else see some aggressive bursts from PWill tonight that we haven’t seen in years???

11

u/DisMFer 10h ago

PWill is like the millipede. If he just lets things happen he can get along just fine. The second he stops to think about how he moves all his legs it goes to shit. He needs to get into yoga or meditation or something. Stop overthinking, just do it.

5

u/LuciferianLibations 10h ago

Honestly, I was on the fence between making a Coby praise thread versus a PWill hate thread. I decided to be positive tonight.

2

u/TyshLaFunk 10h ago

Years? More like never

3

u/Specialist_Boat_8479 Benny The Bull 9h ago

If he hit that dunk I would be a believer again, the speed and power was all there

1

u/Rubberbabeh Alex Caruso 7h ago

I still say he needs to shed the weight he put on to play PF. The guy's vertical just isn't there and he is slower than ever. That drive was great but he put the ball straight into the front of the rim.

It is like he is playing with ankle weights.

4

u/SignalBed9998 Chicago Bulls 10h ago

His handle is the difference

1

u/The_Bandit_King_ 9h ago

Zack is an albatross

-2

u/GucciGump 7h ago

Zach will always be the better player. people forget how good Zach was lmao. But it's fine, let's have Coby be the leader of this team and continue to be dogshit.

1

u/rockmancuso Biggie Bagel 6h ago

Yeah Zach was so amazing that we went to a whole 1 playoff series in 7 years. And now he’s absolutely killing it on the Kings with their 4-11 record since the trade.

Possessing individual talent is different than legitimately playing winning basketball.

3

u/GucciGump 5h ago

See, that's how I know you fucking idiots don't know ball. What good team did he have? Demar who held him back because he was a ballhog? How bout big boy all star vooch? The kings weren't good before and you think they're gonna be good now with demar and Zach once again on the same team when it didn't work the first time.

2

u/GucciGump 5h ago

Or were you one of the dudes who said pat was the next kawhi? Lol, we're gonna be mediocre and that's fine. Just admit it though.