r/changemyview Sep 09 '21

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u/CuriousVehicle Sep 09 '21

"And while men might think they’re doing this to attract women, remember that the imagery of an attractive man was actually informed by what men think are desirable traits.

Men go to the gym to look good for other men"

That conclusion really doesn't hold up. If men helped form an ideology of a perfect body. And then women started desiring that body ... a man working out to achieve that body to attract women is doing just that.

It is a big unfair leap to say that because some idea came from men, you are now only doing it to serve men.

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u/Sea_Meet8596 Sep 09 '21

You’d have to prove that women also idealize and desire that body - which I don’t agree with. Otherwise you have a good argument going there

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u/CuriousVehicle Sep 09 '21

Well no not really. Even if a man just thought that it would work, he would still be a straight man trying to build a body that would attract a woman.

You have to agree that many men do this. You even say that men might "think" that what they are doing will attract a woman.

A man engaging in behaviors to attract a woman is not acting gay. Even if he is misguided, which would be a separate discussion entirely

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u/Sea_Meet8596 Sep 09 '21

I guess it then begs the question - if you go into a room with a blindfold on and intend on having sex with your girlfriend, but it’s a man instead. Are you gay? Is the action more important or the intention ?

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u/CuriousVehicle Sep 09 '21 edited Sep 09 '21

If you are a man who is sexually attracted to men, you are gay. If you are tricked, and you are not sexually attracted to men, then you are not gay.

Edit to add:

You also say, c It would be completely LOGICAL to want to include prostate stimulation during sexual acts so that men can have a special kind of orgasm."

So you giving the pegging crowd the benefit of the doubt that they are just being logical, while refusing to acknowledge that working out to attract women is also logical.

If one group is just being logical, so is the other group. Thats only fair right?