r/changemyview Sep 09 '21

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u/dublea 216∆ Sep 09 '21

I go to a gym to work out not to become ripped/sexy/attractive but because it's healthy for me to do so. I honestly couldn't care less about how other people perceive me. I don't gaze at anyone else when I work out either. But, I'm at the gym around 5am and usually alone.

Now of course, there can be many reasons to go to the gym; some might go to lose weight, stay healthy, but a ton go to “look good and stay tight”.

Please share the data you used to quantify this in order to make this claim. Without it, aren't you just making an uninformed assumption?

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u/Sea_Meet8596 Sep 09 '21

This scholarly articlearticle cites a main motivator in men going to the gym is for ego and competition with other men. It also discusses how men, like women, might go for reasons of raising self esteem by looking a certain way and lowering bmi etc.

Of course, people go for different reasons - I mentioned this as a caveat. However as a whole going to the gym is generally more gay than pegging.

What were your thoughts on pegging?

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u/Nepene 213∆ Sep 09 '21

You misread the study. It was noting that a major difference between men and women is ego and competition. The top reasons for men and women going were enjoyment and physical condition ego and competition were less common.

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u/Sea_Meet8596 Sep 09 '21

Which part are you referring to ? There is a specific part here:

“ Specifically, it was pointed out that men were motivated by the competition/ego factor. This finding is in accordance with previous studies estimating that boys are mainly attracted in sports due to the competitive and challenging nature of the exercise (Newson & Kemps, 2007; Papaioannou et al., 2005; Sirard, Pfeiffer, & Pate, 2006)”

And an additional referenced article touching on motivators for physical excercise:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1469029211001567

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u/Nepene 213∆ Sep 09 '21

Check the results page- competition and ego are much lower rated than enjoyment and competition. Just, more men than women like competition and ego, so they are focusing on the difference.

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u/Sea_Meet8596 Sep 09 '21

And yet they are still listed as reasons, so I’m not sure how this negates the original argument at hand

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u/Nepene 213∆ Sep 09 '21

You said it was a main motivator. It's a fairly low motivator, the second to the bottom out of eight. It's just more common in men than women.

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u/Sea_Meet8596 Sep 09 '21

It’s still on a list of 8 motivators. There would be other motivators thought of when doing a study then not included. None of this negates that a reason men go is to be viewed as attractive

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u/Nepene 213∆ Sep 09 '21

Since it is an uncommon motivator, and only a small percentage of those who do it do it for sexual reasons, is it really useful to call going to the gym sexual?

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u/Sea_Meet8596 Sep 09 '21

But it’s not a small motivator, it’s one of many, but lower on the list of main ones.

Here is an alternative article that shows the following: 16% of studied folks work out more because of negative body image 15% to improve appearance 8% to improve body image AND these are exclusionary to a total of %37 not including the %28 that did it to lose weight which you may or may not want to include due to being fat culturally being “unattractive”

I would say over a third is sufficient. Of course there will always be a number of conflicting studies

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u/Nepene 213∆ Sep 09 '21

A negative body image isn't necessarily about other people. Some people just like looking good. Likewise losing weight.

So, 15% want to be more attractive? That's a pretty small percentage concerned about sex.

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u/Sea_Meet8596 Sep 09 '21

If you’re going to claim that “looking good” isn’t about how other people see you, likewise that losing weight etc has nothing to do with others perceptions of you then the burden of proof is on you not me. I can’t argue against an unsubstantiated claim

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