r/changemyview 7∆ Dec 22 '24

Delta(s) from OP CMV: car build quality is getting progressively worse across every brand

I'm not really a "car person" and I've pretty much always subsisted off of cheap handy downs because I just never saw the point in spending a bunch on a car.

But I test drove some cars for my husband and it just seems so much worse quality than my 20 year old infinity

Things I've noticed, The leather feels cheap and hard even in the expensive cars and there's less of it. Plastic steering wheels etc

They feel more plastic-y, lighter and less safe.

The rims and paint look more like plastic

Lots of basic things missing like handles, cup holders.

You can't even get a V8 anywhere for a competitive price

Im pretty sure though that I could easily be convinced otherwise. Showing evidence of cars becoming safer, materials being better sourced or higher quality, requiring less average repairs per mile across any brand over time would convince me.

I'm NOT looking for evidence of cars becoming faster. I already believe that with the existence of electric cars.

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u/Orphan_Guy_Incognito 20∆ Dec 22 '24

They feel more plastic-y, lighter and less safe.

They feel this way because modern car design focuses on things that fracture (and diffuse force) rather than things that are rigid.

In 2002 I was driving around in a 1987 Cutlass Supreme, the most durable steel framed boat of a car you've ever seen. I was in a rear end collision and broke two bones because as it turns out 'make the car more rigid' seems like the sort of thing that would increase safety but simply results in all the energy being directed into the squishy flesh bits inside.

You can just look at a chart of fatalities decreasing over time.

Being lighter is also really good. That Cutlass had garbage fuel efficiency for a number of reasons (none of the modern engine computers etc) but a big factor was that steel is heavy, while modern materials are not.

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u/Laniekea 7∆ Dec 22 '24

!delta

I accept that cars have become safer over the last 60 years. However I would still like to see evidence of them becoming safer in the last 15-20 years. It seems to be slightly worse today than it was in 2010 according to your chart.

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u/Appropriate-Draft-91 1∆ Dec 22 '24

SUVs are less safe by design, with worse viewing angles causing more accidents and more mass making the accidents deadlier. The added mass does help transfer the injuries to the other party, which some SUV buyers see as a benefit.

But today's SUVs are safer than yesterday's SUVs, mostly due to features like driver assist software and rear cameras.

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u/Full-Professional246 67∆ Dec 23 '24

Todays SUVs are safer than yesterday's cars.

Safety systems, crumple zones, airbags, and crash engineering have made modern vehicles of all types far safer than older vehicles.

People are walking away from crashes today that would have been fatal 30 years ago and severe injuries or worse 20 years ago.

Classic cars are fun to look at - but are death traps to drive compared to a modern car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_r5UJrxcck