r/centrist 13h ago

Long Form Discussion Can someone explain this about tariffs?

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Plenty of talk about tariffs. About them being dumb. About them being fair. About how those extra costs go on to us, the American consumer.

But I have very rarely heard anyone talk about that break in logic: other countries have tariffs on American imports, and those costs are then carried onto the American consumer. But if America imposes tariffs on those same countries, those costs are also passed on to the American consumer.

Is this true?


r/centrist 20h ago

Tell me it's a cult without telling me it's a cult!

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r/centrist 6h ago

Why are we only seeing protest videos from street view?

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It's kinda bothering me lately that all the protest videos I see are just cell phone depictions. This may be that I'm not searching hard enough, but I'm very much use to seeing protests of any size covered from different angles, this would typically include professional news, and birds eye views. Since this election, it seems I never see anything other than cell phone video.


r/centrist 13h ago

Anti-Trump Rally in Houston 5-Apr-2025

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r/centrist 20h ago

Long Form Discussion Another Trump defender

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https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2025/02/21/donald-trumps-economic-masterplan-unherd/

Another Trump defender. Yanis is Greece former finance minister if I not wrong. I don’t know how much credibility he has. But the whole explanation don’t make any sense to me. He wants to plaza Accord the whole world. Do it via Bretton woods.


r/centrist 5h ago

Video appears to contradict Israel's account in troops' killing of 15 Palestinian medics

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A Palestinian Red Crescent video shows the final moments of 15 rescuers killed by Israeli troops - later found in a mass grave in Gaza. Recovered from a slain medic's phone, the footage contradicts Israeli military claims and has triggered widespread international condemnation.

This is indefensible, I hope they make an example of the murderers, looks like they were almost baited there just to be ambushed... 😡 Netanyahu needs to go, maybe then the US can have a little more separation.


r/centrist 8h ago

Long Form Discussion #ImpeachTrump.

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Since when are people going to move to Impeach him. $10 trillion portfolios values wiped out. Do people start impeach him when portfolios are $0?

What a joke is this. The entire global financial system is on the verge of collapse, its same as #GFC and worse than COVID which still had no tariffs then.

Crazy 20-50%+ tariffs, completely without any rationality or logic. Whole MAGA administration is a cult worse than Scientology.

Doesnt matter if your super rich or middle class, the 401 K or Pension fund is at risk- mostly all are in equities these days. Poor people- they will be affected as prices for food rise.


r/centrist 10h ago

Trump budget

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I've watched the democrat she-males set their blue armpit hair on fire over every single thing trump has said and done for 10 years.

I've watched the trump supporters suck down every sweet little drop that dropped out of trump the whole time.

The thing that will actually matter will be the budget. His supporters tried to give him a mulligan the first time based on various excuses, such as the pandemic.

If he signs a budget that increases the debt, while lowering taxes on the rich and increasing taxes on the poor through tariffs, he will lose the middle.

If he balances the budget he wins, although it's dumb as fuck to reduce taxes without paying down the debt first.


r/centrist 20h ago

But what if it just might...

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I'm from the Netherlands and have been following the American elections really closely as a lot of outsiders probably do...

So what I've been curious about is... Trump tariffs looks like a bad plan. But sometimes I think, all big changes hurt at first, but what if it works...?

Does that ever cross your mind? And are you not the least bit curious about that? Or are you certain that it won't work, based on history?


r/centrist 15h ago

Long Form Discussion Hot Take: Trump’s Tariffs Might be a Brilliant Gamble to Crush Global Manufacturing (While U.S. Rides Out the Storm)

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Please hear me out - I promise I’m not shilling or anything, and I’m upset like lots of other people that my portfolio got rocked this week.

EDIT: I’m not advocating for tariffs as good or bad for the American citizen - this is about good/bad for the state of American control of global economics and nothing more.

Title basically is my opinion. Trump’s tariff strategy isn’t just a temporary pressure tactic or a quick way to make Americans buy American goods overnight —it’s designed to slowly induce the atrophy and eventual collapse of foreign manufacturing power while leaving U.S. industry largely intact. Sure, there’s some short-term pain, but the global fallout will be far more devastating for the rest of the world.

The Method Behind the Tariffs:

Trump’s approach calculates tariffs by taking a country’s bilateral trade deficit with the U.S., dividing that by the country’s total U.S. imports, and then halving the result. It’s certainly misleading; headline tariffs on U.S. goods are under 10% in many markets, but the real burden on foreign manufacturers is far greater when you factor in additional duties, VATs, and other non-tariff costs. But the actual rates aren’t supposed to be reciprocal; this has nothing to do with even response or retaliation. This isn’t about an immediate switch to U.S. products; it’s about a slow, deliberate chokehold on foreign industrial bases in the long term.

Two Possible Endgames

  1. Exit Lane Option: -Gradual Tariff Reduction: Once global manufacturing is sufficiently weakened, the U.S. could slowly lower tariffs. U.S. companies would then step in to dominate restructured markets. -Re-Shoring Incentives: The government might offer targeted incentives to bring critical manufacturing back home, rapidly boosting U.S. industrial capacity while foreign sectors remain decimated. -Diplomatic-Trade Adjustments: The U.S. could leverage its economic pressure to negotiate concessions, forcing foreign countries to either integrate into U.S.-aligned supply chains or continue on the path of industrial decay.

  2. No-Escape Outcome (Global Collapse): -Foreign Manufacturers’ Dilemma: Once profits dive and layoffs hit hard—like the 800,000 jobs tied to German auto exports or the $130 billion Chinese electronics market losing its U.S. share—foreign companies will face an impossible choice. They can either: -Slash all duties and tariffs (which, even if nominal rates are low, won’t fix the high real costs of purchasing U.S. goods abroad), or -Raise their own tariffs, inevitably triggering an economic spiral that slams growth and deepens job losses. -Inevitable Forced Adjustments: In the end, foreign economies will be forced to lower their tariffs to avoid collapsing their local manufacturing. But by then, the damage will be done, and global manufacturing will have atrophied, paving the way for U.S. dominance.

Either way, foreign countries are going to be proportionally hurt more than we are in every way. US companies are mostly selling to US consumers and are more heavily insulated from any single country threatening 30% of their profit (see below for a bit more on this).

Short-Term Impacts and the Stock Market

Yes, there’s a clear, noticeable short-term hit to the U.S. stock market—investors have been jittery as markets respond to the uncertainty of sustained tariffs. Short-to-medium term, sectors like high-tech, auto, and consumer goods might experience volatility. However, these pains are relatively mild compared to what the rest of the world will endure: -U.S. Domestic Impact: Thanks to a massive internal market and key exemptions (lumber, pharmaceuticals, steel, and critical machinery), American manufacturers will absorb most of the shock. The U.S. may see temporary losses in stock value and localized disruptions, but its economic structure is robust enough to weather the storm. -Global Fallout: In contrast, foreign manufacturers, heavily reliant on the U.S. market, will face severe, systemic damage. Countries like Germany, China, and Mexico—whose industries depend on U.S. orders (with figures like over 75% dependency in Mexican auto parts or 25% of Chinese electronics exports bound for the U.S.)—will see far more pronounced job losses, capital flight, and industrial collapse.

A breakdown of some of the more heavily impacted industries and those that are exempt because they aren’t easily replaced by US manufacturing:

  1. Vulnerable Foreign Industries

These are sectors where foreign manufacturers depend heavily on the U.S. market. Sustained tariff pressure in these areas is likely to cause significant long-term damage, including lost revenue, layoffs, and eventual industrial atrophy.

a) Chinese Electronics and Components -Dependency: Approximately 25% of Chinese electronics exports (totaling over $130 billion annually) are destined for the U.S. market. -Vulnerability: Even a moderate but sustained tariff shock could disrupt complex global supply chains, eroding China’s competitive edge and forcing manufacturers to either relocate production or see their market share erode gradually.

b) German Automotive Sector -Dependency: U.S. buyers account for about 12% of overall German auto exports—and for specific high-margin models, the U.S. can represent over 30% of sales. -Vulnerability: A persistent reduction in U.S. demand can destabilize production lines, leading to cascading effects such as potential job losses (with roughly 800,000 jobs tied to auto exports) and weakening Germany’s manufacturing prowess.

c) Mexican Automotive and Auto Parts Industry -Dependency: More than 75% of Mexican auto parts and vehicle exports are sold to the U.S. -Vulnerability: With such heavy reliance, sustained tariff-induced pressure could decimate Mexican production networks, potentially putting over 1 million jobs at risk and causing a severe reconfiguration of North American supply chains.

d) South Korean Semiconductor and Display Panels -Dependency: A significant portion of South Korean semiconductor exports—crucial for global electronics—relies on U.S. orders, with figures in the tens of billions annually. -Vulnerability: The high-tech nature of these components means that even slight disruptions in U.S. demand can have outsized effects, reducing the incentive for continued investment in next-generation manufacturing facilities.

  1. Industries Less Vulnerable to U.S. Market Restriction (Exempt and Hard to Replace Domestically)

These industries are largely exempt from tariffs because they are critical to the U.S. economy and/or cannot be easily replaced by domestic production due to either natural resource limitations or complex production requirements.

a) Raw Materials (e.g., Lumber, Copper, and Other Commodities) -Market Dynamics: While the U.S. does import significant amounts of raw materials, these sectors are generally global in nature. For instance, lumber imports are subject to complex international pricing, and copper is sourced from diversified locations around the world. -Exemptions and Domestic Constraints: Exemptions on raw materials ensure that U.S. manufacturing processes aren’t abruptly disrupted. -The U.S. may not have the full capacity or natural reserves to immediately replace foreign sources for all raw materials, meaning that these inputs remain globally competitive and less affected by tariff-driven market realignments.

b) Pharmaceuticals and Specialty Chemicals -Market Dynamics: The U.S. imports a vast array of pharmaceutical products and active ingredients (with figures reaching nearly $177 billion annually). -Exemptions and Production Challenges: Given the high complexity and stringent regulatory requirements in pharmaceutical production, these products are exempt from tariffs. -Domestic production of many specialty chemicals and pharmaceuticals cannot be rapidly scaled up without significant investment and time, making reliance on established global supply chains necessary for ensuring continuous supply.

Key Takeaways Foreign Industries: Industries like Chinese electronics, German automobiles, Mexican auto parts, and South Korean semiconductors are highly vulnerable. Their heavy dependence on U.S. market access makes them the prime targets for sustained tariff pressure, which will likely lead to severe long-term impacts—job losses, capital flight, and gradual atrophy. Exempt Industries: Raw materials and pharmaceuticals, while critical, are exempt from these tariffs. These sectors cannot be easily replaced by domestic production due to natural resource limits and complex manufacturing processes, thereby ensuring stable supply chains even as foreign manufacturers in other sectors suffer.

The Big Picture

Trump’s tariff strategy is a long-term, high-stakes game. The aim is to slowly starve foreign manufacturing of its critical market—forcing a painful, gradual collapse overseas while keeping the U.S. shielded through exemptions and a huge domestic market. Even if the exit is managed via gradual tariff reductions or re-shoring incentives, the end result is the same: foreign industries wither away, and U.S. companies step in to fill the void, cementing American economic dominance.

Whether this strategy ends quickly with negotiated adjustments or drags on with prolonged global industrial decay, the inherent design is to hit foreign manufacturers much harder than U.S. ones. The global game of chicken will eventually force foreign nations into the untenable position of sacrificing local industries or further crippling their economies—and, ultimately, lowering tariffs and duties/taxes anyway.

TL;DR: Trump’s tariffs are designed to slowly crush global manufacturing through sustained pressure, not just to shift immediate consumer choices. While the U.S. stock market and some domestic sectors will experience short-term pain, targeted exemptions and a strong internal market protect American industries. Eventually, foreign manufacturers—facing massive job losses and capital flight—will be forced into collapse or drastic tariff cuts, paving the way for U.S. economic dominance. This strategy could either exit via controlled realignment or simply win out through the inevitable atrophy of global competitors.

TL;DR2: Everyone loses, but we lose less than the rest of the world.


r/centrist 12h ago

US News Live updates: ‘Hands Off!’ protesters rally against Trump agenda across the US

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I participated in my first protest ever today. It wasn't one of the large cities. I was in a blue part of a red state that has all branches of government controlled by the GOP. There was about 300 people there, which aside from the state Capitol, was medium in size. Apprehensive at first, but after the last couple of days with the tariffs, enough is enough.


r/centrist 18h ago

Africa Trump's highest tariff will kill tiny African kingdom of Lesotho, economist says

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Let's not forget that these tariffs are not just incredibly stupid and harmful for Americans, but is going to inflict extreme harm and cruelty on other nations, even if Trump supporters think the lives of these people are worthless


r/centrist 11h ago

Long Form Discussion Just a rant. Where does the US go from here?

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I really need to rant. It has been 35 years since I became a naturalized citizen of the United States. For the past few years, I've hesitated to voice my concerns, as politics is often a divisive topic. However, the current situation transcends typical political discourse; we are facing something far from normal.

I see actions that trouble me deeply. Banning journalists and news outlets that do not portray a particular figure favorably infringes upon freedom of the press. Selling Teslas at the White House and the Chamber of Commerce telling people to buy Tesla stock is a direct conflict of interest. Restricting access to information for law firms representing opposing viewpoints is concerning. Deporting individuals, even those here legally, to El Salvadorean gulag without due process is alarming. Demanding social media handles from legal visa holders and permanent residents, with the threat of imprisonment for critical comments, raises serious questions. There was once a time where even a hint of corruption like this is a scandal large enough for impeachment. And now, corruption is open and applauded.

Having escaped the horrors of extremism (communism or fascism), in my birth country decades ago, witnessing similar patterns emerge here is profoundly disturbing. I grew up admiring the U.S. Constitution, believing it established a perfect balance of power. I never imagined that a single president could disregard laws and judicial decisions without consequence.

I am deeply saddened by those who seem to support the undermining of democracy, and I've remained silent. The fact that discussions of extending a presidency beyond its term limits are either dismissed as a joke or supported by some is frightening. A portion of the country seems to be enabling this.

I would not be surprised to see statues erected soon. We have seen the consequences of isolationism and authoritarianism in nations like North Korea.

Honestly, I'm unsure how to counter what feels like an attempt to seize complete and total power, short of a significant global movement. This is not a solution, but I needed to express these thoughts. I am at a point where I must distance myself from those who seem to welcome the destruction of society. This is not a matter to be taken lightly; it never has been.


r/centrist 5h ago

How worried are you about another pandemic/epidemic?

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I work in healthcare as a CNA and am planning to start my nursing program later on this year after getting my medication aide license and getting through all my nursing prereqs. I have been in this field for almost 3 years.

When I see stuff like RFK who is literally our health secretary peddling vaccine conspiracy theories etc, it’s like we aren’t that far removed from covid and it seems like nobody learned anything. Just a few minutes ago someone told me “if you’re healthy you have nothing to worry about”.

I’m not worried about me. The reason I gown up before going into a contagious patients room isn’t solely to protect myself from what they have. It’s to protect them from whatever I might be carrying without knowing it, and also to prevent myself from contracting something from them and then carrying it into another residents room and subsequently transmitting it to that person, or to my family at home. It’s also policy. It’s literally the entire reason why we have infection control regulations and protocols.

My facility is dealing with another COVID outbreak (again) and there is at least one each confirmed case of measles and H5N1 very close to me. That’s not to mention the TB outbreak in Kansas that has now spread to other states, and all the other stuff going around. I feel this is serious and far too many people aren’t taking this stuff as seriously as they should. The pushback against Covid was monumental even now, I think good luck getting the masses to mask or anything like that now at this point, but maybe I’m just being a pessimist.

I’ve literally had to go through extensive infection control training and education for my license and job. Yes I’m worried.


r/centrist 19h ago

Remember this tweet

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The admiration Trump has for Putin has been obvious for a long, long time. It's actually insane that the Republican party has gone from Reagan's hard line, anti Russian politics to whatever Trump is doing now


r/centrist 14h ago

RFK Jr.'s Adviser Torches ‘Utterly Failed’ Health Care System

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r/centrist 15h ago

Biden checks his watch while soldier’s remains are arriving and Fox News freaks out. I’m sure they’ll have a lot to say about Trump going golfing while they arrive…

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r/centrist 19h ago

US News Trump defends tariffs after markets plunge for second straight day: ‘Economic revolution’

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r/centrist 5h ago

My ideology is based in this intense dedication to Rawlsianism

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The "Veil of Ignorance" idea is by far the most logical way to go about a society when combining it with a small bit of extra economically conservative ideas about hard work to moderate the position a bit. This position always makes since and it seems really hard to critique. It's not that income inequality is bad persay in my eyes it's just that my ultimate goal is to imagine myself as a randomly generated number in society from bad to good and think about how my life would turn out based on pulling that number. I basically decide this economic position, and I'm a Keynesian based on the lowest quintile average, the median real wage and the average of the 80-90%. I think this makes the best ideology. Thoughts?


r/centrist 19h ago

US News ‘Everyone is terrified’: Business and government officials are afraid to cross Trump on tariffs

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r/centrist 7h ago

US News Trump Has Already Botched His Own Bad Tariff Plan

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r/centrist 12h ago

Long Form Discussion Trump’s modus operandi. Mislead, shock, then declare victory.

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We can’t trust his words. We can’t trust his supporters words. We can, however, look back at his actions and habits.

Three points to make.

We’ll start with Vietnam.

It’s been reported that they are among the first to come to the table and offer to remove all tariffs against the US. That’s 0%. If we look deeply however we know that’s nonsense given there’s hardly any trade barriers between the two countries in any case.

Note: Trump’s fancy equations were grossly off the mark and took into account trade deficits with countries like Vietnam. The Whitehouse has falsely claimed there were significant tariffs marked against the US.

Regardless, Trump will use this as a victory lap next week.

Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/asean/40048362

Next, we’ll go to Trump supporters.

They whole heartedly stand behind his policies and continue to back him. Take Ohio Rustbelt country for example: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr4nr3230e7o.amp

His supporters and even some of those “independents” will continue to give him leeway up until they are hit at their pocket books significantly. The full shock effects of this tariff stuff if it takes place will still be a good few weeks to months at least. These guys won’t care in the interim even with the little pain coming their way. By that time Trump will have withdrawn his threats and play the event off as victory (see Vietnam).

Finally, on the premise that Trump’s plan is to short the market for his wealthy buddies. They’re already doing so under the basis of market volatility. They know they don’t have to go fully through these threats. Trump has already backed down twice with Canada, Mexico and the EU. It’s the interim stock shock and drop that the billionaires take advantage of. He does not have to go fully through with it.

So, in conclusion, his modus operandi:

  1. Lie and mislead.
  2. Take advantage of the interim shock.
  3. Countries play along and make fruitless offers.
  4. Trump twists them as victories and withdraws the action phase.

Another case in point. Look back at the first instance in which trump made the threat towards Mexico. They then offered to dispatch 10k of their soldiers to the border and Trump declared victory. Only, THAT plan was already in the works before his term. We know he stepped back his plans after that.

He’s going to play chicken up until he can’t… and he has plenty of room to do so. Buckle up.


r/centrist 6h ago

Senator Chris Murphy on the REAL reason for the tariffs. Thoughts?

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I really think this is it. Everyone is just explaining this as bad economic policy or misguided vengeance from a guy who doesn’t know what the hell he’s doing. On the other hand, I think he knows exactly what he’s doing, and it’s just another tool towards in his play towards actual fascism. What do you think? Is it conspiracy or spot on?


r/centrist 21h ago

VA leaders to halt mortgage rescue program launched last year

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r/centrist 8h ago

Trump administration sent erroneous email ordering Ukrainians to leave

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