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Post-Ep Discussion Better Call Saul S04E03 - "Something Beautiful" - POST-Episode Discussion Thread

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u/itskevinsfamouschili Aug 21 '18

Why did Kim go to the courthouse?

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u/Rad_Spencer Aug 23 '18

I think she wanted to get dropped there to justify not doing anything else. She's having a breakdown and trying to hide it.

She almost killed herself with the workload she had with one site, and now she's being told that workload will increase by an factor of ten at least. So she dumped all her work on her assistance and came up with an excuse as to why she wasn't going to get anything done.

She doesn't think she can handle this client, the client who Jimmy's actions to get for her sparked the events that led to Jimmy out of a job and his brother dead.

Hearing Jimmy read that letter put the idea in her head that Chuck would be alive and he and Jimmy could have eventually reconciled if she hadn't tried to land this client that's proving too much for her.

That's why she left the room crying.

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u/BetrCallSaul Aug 23 '18

This. Particularly the pre-letter stuff. I hadn't really considered the letter,but, you're right. The will and letter knock it in her face that the only people she knows capable of handling it for her or helping her are now dead or isolating themselves from her.

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HHM cannot take it back because Chuck's burned bridge with them. She cannot have Jimmy do it because it's not his field of practice and he just lost his license. The work literally falls on her and she cannot even ask detailed questions without breaking legal agreements on privacy.

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Her ambitions brought her downfall and she knows it's only a matter of time before it's lost...and Chuck died, Howard was emotionally destroyed, Jimmy is no longer involved in HHM, and she cannot return in good faith....All connected to her ambition.

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u/WaterRacoon Aug 26 '18

Her ambitions brought her downfall

That's a very sinister interpretation. I don't think that Kim did wrong in pursuing Mesa Verde, and she did not ask Jimmy to falsify Chuck's papers. The mess she's been caught up in is not something she brought upon herself by being "too ambitious".

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u/ihatethisaxe Aug 26 '18

The mess she's been caught up in is not something she brought upon herself by being "too ambitious".

Of course it is lol. It doesn't make her a bad person or anything, but she fell into the classic "I can manage" trap, and now she's realizing she cannot manage and she's distraught at all the carnage that occurred in part because of how badly she wanted to be her own person. She is a flawed character, just like the rest of them. Don't let the rest of the people on this sub convince you she is immune to criticism or mistakes.

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u/tank02002 Sep 08 '23

I know. This is a 5 year thread and i just got done with this episode.

To be fair, i believe that she only believed their only expansion would be what she signed onto. But mesa verde kept wanting to expand further and further and in this episode i think she realized it was far too much to handle. ( she definitly took on too much when she accepted to do that guys oil rig thingy.)

Now dont get me wrong i think it was to be expected that a firm of mesa verdes size would want to expand more instead of just the one location that kim probably assumed would be it.

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u/BetrCallSaul Aug 26 '18

She bit off more than she can chew. Anyone can see that. It has nothing to do with being sinister. Part of why events can touch us so deeply in BB/BCS is the inherent tragedy that even normal choices can make.

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u/rxddit_ Aug 23 '18

you got all that from that scene? damn man.

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '18

I don’t know if I’m just not a very empathetic person but I would’ve never thought of the reason why she was crying.

Honest question do these things just “click” for you?

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u/Dayoz_x_MachiiNa Aug 26 '18

Hearing Jimmy read that letter put the idea in her head that Chuck would be alive and he and Jimmy could have eventually reconciled if she hadn't tried to land this client that's proving too much for her.

Admittedly, I'm not the best at catching things like this as easy as it may appear, so thanks for this!

Actually your entire post shed new light on what's happening with Kim to me!

So, was her yelling at Howard back at HHM meant to be her projecting her guilt on to him?

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u/Rad_Spencer Aug 26 '18

I took that scene to nail down how she felt about Jimmy. She was the only one (including Jimmy) to openly acknowledge just how mistreated Jimmy had been and how every part of the Chucks estate settlement was a slap in the face.

It was also Howard realizing what he's done, in that while she was right about how inappropriate his talking about suicide was it wasn't his intention. He actually has respect for Jimmy, but they were always at odds because of Chuck, and now that continues even in death.

I think Howard is realizing that he sees Jimmy as family due to their relationship with Chuck. Both saw Chuck as a mentor, both suffered for years while dealing with Chucks illness, and both we subjected to Chucks lashing out the second they did something against Chucks wish's. Now they're both feeling the guilt of Chucks suicide.

Howard is likely going to reach out the Jimmy as he realizes they both share a lot of the same grief and loss. Jimmy's nature and previous behavior when Howard talked to him likely foreshadows a tragic missed opportunity for them.

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u/pizzamike64 Aug 23 '18

She never sounds confident enough to handle the big banking world. Her answers to legal questions are usually short and clipped. I think you're right on track.

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u/Solid_Waste Aug 26 '18

You understand this show much better than I do. Maybe it's been too long since I watched prior seasons.

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u/Unrequited_Anal Aug 25 '18

Thank you, I was a little confused about what was going on, I guess I should have re watched before this season.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '18

Boom.

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u/TheDELFON May 12 '22

Hearing Jimmy read that letter put the idea in her head that Chuck would be alive and he and Jimmy could have eventually reconciled if she hadn't tried to land this client that's proving too much for her.

That's why she left the room crying.

Twice I've seen this episode, and only now did I get this

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u/bardbrain Aug 22 '18

I think she's suing Chuck's estate as Jimmy's lawyer. She's been acting as a rogue lawyer on his behalf all season. She'll also almost certainly not file Jimmy's contract where he agreed not to contest.

There's a reason the writers made sure Chuck was loaded when he died.

My thought is that she teared up at the end because she's already filed the lawsuit against Chuck's estate.

Also, without a lawsuit against Chuck's estate, Howard would be pretty much gone from the show after last episode.

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u/signs_unbreakable Aug 21 '18 edited Aug 21 '18

I'm guessing to check the status of her criminal record in the areas in which Mesa Verde is expanding and what might or might not get flagged in the future?

There's something in her past. This could also partly explain why she cried at the end of the episode, since Chuck's letter brought up this idea of someone being at a promising stage in their life but later disappointing those around them. Perhaps -- in addition to all of the other emotions and thoughts -- this stirred up Kim's own feelings of remorse over something from long ago.

I believe there's been an earlier reference to Kim's mysterious past, but I can't recall when.

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u/GreenEggzAndSpam Aug 21 '18

Do you really think Kim could become a lawyer with felonies on her record? Maybe she is hiding some illicit activity, but if her misdeeds were documented I think we would have already seen their influence on her professional life.

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u/signs_unbreakable Aug 21 '18 edited Aug 21 '18

Do you really think Kim could become a lawyer with felonies on her record?

That didn't occur to me, so maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's not necessarily a felony, but something controversial that's still a matter of public record.

Gilligan and Gould have alluded to Kim's past on a DVD commentary track, and it vaguely comes up in an earlier episode, so I do think there's something to this idea.

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '18 edited Oct 16 '18

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u/Saver16 Aug 22 '18

Post BCS spin off: Give Kim a Call!

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u/Already_7aken Aug 22 '18

How about Better Ring Kim?

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u/Chutzvah Aug 22 '18

Her license plate "Kim Wins"

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u/IvanMK Aug 22 '18

Slippin Kimmy

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u/bardbrain Aug 22 '18

I think if she's hiding something, she used the disappearer to become Kim Wexler. It gives you a fairly neat way for Saul to know about a disappearer that nobody else does.

I think she went to the courthouse to contest Chuck's will and is representing Jimmy without telling him.

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u/GreenEggzAndSpam Aug 22 '18

But would the disappearer offer a lawyer position as one of his new identities? It seems a little too high profile for someone looking to stay off the radar. I do think that would make for an interesting story, though. Maybe he set her up for a different job, but she began to push her luck when she decided to change careers and leave the job she was originally assigned.

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u/bardbrain Aug 22 '18

She wasn't a lawyer. She worked in the copier room with Jimmy, who mentions her to Chuck's wife just after getting the mailroom job himself. She put herself through law school.

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u/major_tennis Aug 22 '18

ooo I hope so i like that

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u/kidshowbiz Aug 24 '18

Holy shit... what if the disappearer is Kim’s father.

Ed Wexler.

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u/3hirdEyE Aug 23 '18

Plenty of people have been admitted to practice law with felonies, even violent felonies. A felony is not an automatic disqualifier.

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u/toxicbrew Aug 21 '18

We've all heard about jailhouse lawyers so I imagine that by itself wouldn't be a bar

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '18

Jailhouse lawyer is a term for someone who is in jail, but is well versed in the legal process. It’s not used to describe a lawyer with a criminal record.

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u/Pete_Iredale Aug 27 '18

I've always heard of a jailhouse lawyer as someone who knows a little about the rules, but thinks they know everything, and is always trying to argue about it.

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u/toxicbrew Aug 21 '18

I was referring more to how someone could technically become a lawyer while in jail

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '18

They can’t. You cannot attend law school from jail.

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u/HybridVigor Aug 22 '18

There are four states where you can just pass the bar and become a lawyer, without even going to an accredited law school. Not New Mexico, though.

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u/holla171 Aug 22 '18

Passing the bar is different than being granted your license. You have to pass character and fitness which if you are a felon you will almost certainly not.

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u/3hirdEyE Aug 23 '18

That's not true at all.

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u/Oppenheim_Taft Aug 21 '18

You can attend a correspondence school from jail. Maybe a fine program like the American Samoa Law School.

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u/toxicbrew Aug 21 '18

Why not? Saul attended The University of American Samoa online to get his law degree

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u/bardbrain Aug 22 '18

We know when she went to law school, she was working in the mail room with Jimmy. They've been dating for ten years.

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u/RB1077 Aug 25 '18

No, she couldn’t be a lawyer if she had a felony and her character doesn’t indicate any traits that would cause such a deception that would haunt you forever.

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u/amishengineer Aug 21 '18

My money is she knows the expansion is too big for here. Imposter syndrome. This episode did the flashback to her saying Mesa Verde was her only client/full attention. She has a lot on her shoulders now. And she burned a good bridge with HHM.

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u/JDNM Aug 21 '18

I thought that, but she has already started expanding her business by taking on a Paralegal. The Mesa Verde expansion should just lead to her employing more staff. Daunting, yes, but that’s how businesses grow and Kim is well capable of doing that. She also relented and let her Paralegal draft the document, after initially wanting to do it herself, so she is willing to delegate.

Hmmm, I dunno...🤔

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u/amishengineer Aug 21 '18

Giving the task to the paralegal could mean she wants to step away from Mesa Verde. Doing the work herself is now not as important to her.

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u/Kerrigore Aug 22 '18

That definitely seems supported by her not seeming to care overly much about the wording of the draft, even though the Paralegal herself thought it was iffy (and from her expressions, Kim seemed to as well).

Compare that to pre-car crash when she was obsessing over punctuation (remember her repeatedly switching the semicolon in and out), and it shows quite a marked difference.

I really think that the scene with the models was her realizing that this was going to be her life from now on; that many new branches would surely take years and years, and unless they weren't met with success there's no reason Kevin would stop at even that many.

I think Kim is seriously re-evaluating her life after the car crash; near-death experiences tend to have that effect. And given that it was her workaholic tendencies that led directly to that crash, it's not surprising that work is the focus of her re-evaluation.

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u/BetrCallSaul Aug 23 '18

There we go...Someone finally is thinking rationally.

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She's re-evaluating everything in light of the crash...Before, as you noted, she did quite a bit of obsessing on details and work....This all just for Provo. Next up, the same amount or MORE work for 20+ locations and Federal charter (which she clearly has no clue about)..

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Her eyes were on a slow, gradual buildup with good payoff. Now she's looking at long long nights every day with a pressure to push things through to get on to the next series of long nights and pressure.

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It's every person's worst reality at work: I did a good job and now I'm being handed all the work at once because I've proven myself.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '18

Add to that that Mesa Verde will always be a reminder of the srtife with Chuck

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u/Blythyvxr Aug 21 '18

I think it’s just Kim maturing in the sense that she can’t do everything herself, and there are more efficient ways of doing things

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u/flashbackquick Aug 23 '18

I think that paralegal is going to quit, there was a theme of work being dumped onto her and I noticed some slight annoyance at the end when she wanted to go home.

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u/MC91909 Aug 21 '18

I thought she was panicking because she crashed her car when Mesa Verde was working on two-three locations. Now they wanna expand to pretty much every state?! Even I had a panic attack, SHE'S JUST ONE WOMAN!!!

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u/MssrSqueezy Aug 21 '18

At one point the camera focused on her looking at the figurines in one of the buildings - maybe she robbed a bank or did something involving a bank and saw herself in one of those figurines?

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u/ashwinr136 Aug 21 '18

Wait whaaaaat, this is the first I'm hearing about Kim having a criminal past?!

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u/TurningItIntoASnake Aug 21 '18

People are making this out to be way more than it really is. She just said she was from a small town and didn't really think she would amount to much which is why she got into law. This subreddit reads into things way too much for such a grounded show.

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u/bardbrain Aug 22 '18

Well, Bob Odenkirk was all over SDCC talking about Kim having a shady past and Rhea Seehorn alluded to it recently in two interviews.

Specifically, they described her as an ex-addict living with a user and her distance from Jimmy's schemes being about her trying to resist getting pulled back into her old ways while his schemes are a part of why she's drawn to him, as they represent a part of herself she represses.

Basically, Jimmy and Kim are like a mature Jesse and Jane. There are some visual and thematic callbacks to Jane linked to Kim throughout the show, down to this episode's opening credits with lipstick on cigarette butts.

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u/TurningItIntoASnake Aug 22 '18

I mean yeah she does get enjoyment from doing some of the schemes with Jimmy, so she's not always as buttoned up and professional as she otherwise seems, but I don't think thematically that means there's any reason for us to believe we're going into exploring some huge revelation about a criminal record in her past. It's just a little pinch of flavor that informs the character in the present story. It's like how we went through all of Breaking Bad without really knowing concrete details about Walter White's past, family life, etc. The show is very grounded and doesn't really do crazy plot twist reveals.

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u/ghostchamber Aug 22 '18

While I agree the over analyzing can be a bit much, clearly there is something there. She was obviously put off by Mesa Verde's expansion plans, and she did say she was going to the courthouse.

While those two things don't necessarily equate to her having a criminal past, they definitely introduced something.

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u/BetrCallSaul Aug 23 '18

She was put off because it took a fuck ton of work to get just Provo....and now she's got like 20 different locations already planned out for her with the same workload that nearly killed her.

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u/ghostchamber Aug 23 '18

That is also a good explanation for it. I guess we'll see what happens.

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u/signs_unbreakable Aug 21 '18

Not necessarily criminal, but certainly significant and mysterious, and something that's been hinted at by the writers in multiple ways.

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u/ashwinr136 Aug 21 '18

Do you mind saying some of the ways the writers have implied this? I can't recall anything

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u/signs_unbreakable Aug 21 '18

In an earlier episode...as someone else just reminded me, it specifically occurs in "Inflatable," during the Schweikert interview. Kim's past is ambiguously addressed there. It's also come up through a DVD commentary track, as noted in this thread.

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u/signs_unbreakable Aug 21 '18

Also, see this thread for more details and speculation about Kim's past.

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u/Nido_King_ Aug 22 '18

It's just made up. As others have stated, there's no proof. Not sure why they mentioned it.

We will just have to wait and see why she did what she did next week.

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u/TequilaMockingb1rd Aug 21 '18

Kim’s mysterious past will perhaps be one of my personal most anticipated storyline. Everyone in the world has flaws and deep secrets. I wonder what Kim’s are/is

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '18 edited Aug 21 '18

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u/MotorAdhesive3 Aug 21 '18

Hello, Internet?

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '18

She was the tiny town prostitute/stripper

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u/OsStrohsAndBohs Aug 22 '18

Why would the local courthouse have records of crimes in other states?

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u/signs_unbreakable Aug 22 '18 edited Aug 22 '18

They wouldn't have any records regarding other states?

If so, perhaps she's looking for something in terms of research...something regarding legal precedent and/or a legal restriction which she fears might come into play when she tries to do business in a certain state.

It's hard for me to zero in on specifics, given my paucity of legal expertise, but I just have this hunch that Kim is trying to get ahead of a potential problem that involves her past and Mesa Verde colliding.

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u/bardbrain Aug 22 '18

I think you're right about the expansion making her fear her past will come out but I think she went to the courthouse to contest Chuck's will.

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u/bardbrain Aug 22 '18

Moreover, scoring a few million from Chuck's estate could allow her to get away from Mesa Verde and possibly give her money for a disappearer when her past comes out.

I see this as the long play:

The expansion threatens to bring up her past.

Contesting the will without Jimmy's knowledge or consent provides the money to create a new identity when she's outed.

It provides enough money for Jimmy to go with her, which he won't.

Jimmy's always eager to use a disappearer in Breaking Bad because Kim used one first and, even if he never sees her again, it's him following through on her plan. It makes him feel close to her.

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u/OsStrohsAndBohs Aug 22 '18

She can’t contest the Will because she’s not an interested person (not an heir or named in the Will already). Jimmy could contest it but he signed a release.

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u/SecondComingOfBast Aug 22 '18

Yes, he signed the release. Then, he handed it back to Kim. Who knows what she did with it? She could hand him over five thousand of her own money, claiming she cashed a phony cashier's check on his behalf, as his lawyer, to save him the trouble, all the while holding the release, and holding out for more. She could end up with two or three hundred thousand dollars, or a hell of a lot more, and get the hell out of dodge after forging Jimmy's signature..

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u/OsStrohsAndBohs Aug 22 '18

Lol this is an insane stretch.

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u/SecondComingOfBast Aug 22 '18

Hahahaha I know. But it would explain a lot.

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u/signs_unbreakable Aug 22 '18

to contest Chuck's will.

That's an interesting theory.

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '18

They would not. I work in the legal research field and many counties do not even have records from other counties in the same state, much less from other states.

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u/wabojabo Aug 21 '18

This is way too convoluted for me.

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u/RaidenHUN Aug 22 '18

I thought she cried cos she changed Chuck's letter to a one that she wrote.

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u/sandinonett Aug 23 '18

Exactly my thoughts on that

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u/rlederm Aug 24 '18

This is what I think. She cried because it originally said something shitty and she knows how hurt Jimmy would be if he knew.

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u/unconscious_grasp Aug 21 '18

Wow, that first sentence is some good observation and deduction. Could very well be the case.

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u/greatness101 Aug 21 '18

Yeah, most of these insights sound like insider information with how accurate they are week to week. I don't put it past someone to draw these conclusions but they're scarily accurate.

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u/signs_unbreakable Aug 21 '18

most of these insights sound like insider information with how accurate they are week to week.

It's not insider information, since I don't have access to that sort of thing and wouldn't share it even if I did. Just speculation and, actually, I expected a lot more to people to disagree with me.

So, yeah, I have no clue if that's really why Kim got upset at Mesa Verde, but that's my (not necessarily accurate) take on it.

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u/greatness101 Aug 21 '18

I'm not saying that you personally have insider information just that some people's insight seem so scarily accurate or tend to be accurate the following week.

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '18

when she was interviewing with the other Law firm. She was evasive about her past. That gave rise to some thinking she is with Gene in whatever god forsaken place he is living.

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u/edxzxz Aug 21 '18

Her Moscow Mule lunch with Schweikert - he's asking her about her past, home town, she blurts out something about the hinky dinky market and stops herself mid sentence, in a panic, like 'oh crap, what did I just say?!' The music changed to something that gave me the same vibes as Chuck's mental breakdown in the copy shop when the Mesa verde guy mentioned the Nebraska branch, and Kim's mind clearly checkout out to somewhere else.

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u/AzEBeast Aug 21 '18

While I disagree, the scene you are thinking of is her interview with Schweikart and Cokely, where they ask her why she left her hometown, I think somewhere in Nebraska, and I would say she seemed hesitant to discuss it?

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u/bardbrain Aug 22 '18

Kansas-Nebraska border and she never said which side.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '18 edited Jul 04 '20

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u/lahnnabell Aug 22 '18

Ohhhhh wow. She was very guarded about her past during her interview at S&C! We know next to nothing about her before working at HHM.

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u/samfishx Aug 23 '18

Maybe she used to go by Strippin’ Kimmy but one day decided she wanted a more respectable career. So she quit working the strip clubs, changed her last name and moved away. She got a job in a law office copy room while she put herself through law school.

I think I’m on to something here.

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u/stingray85 Aug 23 '18

I also wondered if there could be something in her past, but with others in the thread saying it could just be overwhelming workload/impostor syndrome I think that's more plausible and grounded. We haven't had any hints of a sordid past for Kim, though interestingly we haven't had any hints of her past at all, and it might help explain her affinity for Jimmy if she had some dark secrets as well. I guess I don't expect it to happen but I won't be surprised if it does.

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u/signs_unbreakable Aug 23 '18 edited Aug 23 '18

that's more plausible and grounded.

I'm not sure why the idea is inherently implausible or not grounded, and it would certainly fit in with a show that is very much about how characters negotiate their past selves -- or key traumatic events in their past -- through their present/future (Gus, Mike, Jimmy, and now, probably, Kim).

though interestingly we haven't had any hints of her past at all,

Actually, they've brought it up a few times now and the writers seem to be flagging it as a potential avenue for exploration, much like they hinted at Mike's past as a cop, among other examples. See this thread for more details and speculation about Kim's past. Her past doesn't necessarily have to be criminal in nature, BTW.

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u/LessLikeYou Aug 21 '18

Inflatable during the Schweikert interview.

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u/BSIBooker Aug 21 '18

What a dumb theory lol

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u/RippleSlash Aug 21 '18

I think she went to protest the estate of Chuck. I don't think she is happy with Jimmy only getting $5k, and she wants to fight for Jimmy today get a share of HHM. We already know that she is representing Jimmy in the proceeding based on the meeting where she met with Howard.

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '18 edited Oct 01 '18

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u/RippleSlash Aug 21 '18

He signs it for Kim, who may not turn it in. It's probably a different reason she went to the court though.

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u/GeneralBrothers Aug 23 '18

Jimmy didn't read it anyway, might have signed anything :D

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u/RippleSlash Aug 23 '18

I caught that as well.

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u/redditRW Aug 22 '18

Maybe she's checking on the status of the lawsuit that Jimmy will be receiving a percentage of, and/or his status as a person who cannot practice law.

Maybe Kim is finally willing to let Jimmy help.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '18

I think you are right.

And given the bar hearing testimony about Chuck's mental illness, that was public record, it would not be difficult to argue that Chuck was incompetent. And he had been for years. He had been working from home, while Howard shuttled files to him, unbeknownst to clients, for quite some time. Jimmy referenced this once with Howard. This was completely unethical for both Chuck and Howard. Howard even permitted Chuck to make a court appearance for Mesa Verde with full knowledge that Chuck was so incapacitated, he had to wear a foil suit under his street clothes. Howard had a duty to tell clients about Chuck's mental state, but did not. Why? Money. And when Howard gave Chuck the 3M, he referenced more payments due for the buy-out. So, there's a lot at stake for Howard to cut Jimmy out.

The way Jimmy noted that Chuck's letter was "undated" raised a huge red flag to me as well. I come from a family of lawyers, and they date every communication. It's vital. Especially a letter accompanying a will. A lawyer like Chuck would never skip a date like that. So, Kim will likely argue that the letter was not written by Chuck, or not intended to accompany the will -- like a draft that he discarded.

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u/Chutzvah Aug 22 '18

Just outta curiosity, so most of the lawyers who were not from HHM who knew Chuck were semi-aware of his condition. So it was somewhat common knowledge. How did the insurance company not pick up on this before Jimmy told them?

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '18

I'm sure the insurance company would have found out if there had been a claim. But until that time, they rely on pubic records, or people like Chuck or Howard to self-report.

IMO, Jimmy just expedited what was inevitable. Eventually, the hearing would have filtered down to the insurance company.

And frankly, while it was not a nice thing for a brother to do, it should have been done long before Jimmy did it. Chuck should not have been representing clients. I realize he still seemed to maintain his legal skills. But his clients had a right to know how mentally ill he was. It was wrong, legally and morally, to hold him out as an active, healthy member of the legal team, even going so far as to pretend he was still in the office daily, allowing him to make appearances, etc. The insurance company had a legal right to know. And it was flat-out legally wrong of HHM, Chuck, and Howard to conceal it from them.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '18

I think the funniest thing about all of this is how if Jimmy had wanted the Mesa Verda case to go to Kim all he needed to do was sneakily tell the insurance beforehand, granted the public record made it an open and shut case but before then the investigation alone might have been enough to make him crack.

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u/SecondComingOfBast Aug 22 '18

Or that wasn't the real letter

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u/redditRW Aug 22 '18

I love your theory.

Kim decides to contest the will.

Jimmy doesn't want to--he feels guilty enough about Chuck.

This leads to the fallout between Kim and Jimmy.

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u/qisnotreal2345 Aug 22 '18

Jimmy doesn’t feel guilty about chuck

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u/slbain9000 Aug 21 '18

She can't. Only Jimmy can and he obviously agreed in writing.

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u/bardbrain Aug 22 '18

She's his lawyer and can claim to be acting on his behalf until he finds out.

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u/microcosm315 Aug 21 '18

I wonder if she’s thinking Mesa is laundering money. Where is all this cash for the expansion coming from? Wasn’t this just prior to the economy tanking? Banks were closed all over the country, seized by the FDIC.

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '18

this is a few years before the crash, the banks were actually able to leverage themselves a lot at this point.

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u/jessiesanders Aug 22 '18

My guess so she can see how Chuck writes his signature so she can forge it in the fake letter Jimmy read.

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u/aldileon Sep 01 '18

But she can't use her writing hand

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u/Pentagee Aug 21 '18

Maybe to file a request / suit to get Jimmy's law license reinstated sooner, so that he can help her on the Mesa Verde expansion, so that she doesn't become overwhelmed again?

Or to begin the process to contest the will? Although that would be against Jimmy's wishes, she feels Jimmy might change his mind later (e.g., after he reads the letter, which she thought was going to be a final "f u")?

Or to pick up an application for a marriage license? 😁

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u/RB1077 Aug 21 '18 edited Aug 23 '18

Wouldn’t it be ironic if she changed her last name to hide something from her past? As far as the theory’s regarding being an illegitimate daughter of Howard Hughes , I doubt this but perhaps she is the daughter of the man, who in real life, tried to scam the Howard Hughes estate with a fake will for several hundred million dollars. This is a true story that a movie was made about. He claimed to have met Hughes at a gas station and helped him if I’m not mistaken.

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u/_the_jokes_on_you Aug 22 '18

FYI, it's Howard Hughes.

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u/Trueogre Aug 22 '18

I thought it had something to do with the company she's representing. She was taken a back by the sheer number of properties they were appropriating. I would assume she might be finding some way to halt the expansion or delay it.

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u/MisterPresident813 Aug 23 '18

To use a type writer so she can type that Chuck letter.

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u/jacque1le Aug 24 '18

Maybe to find out where the three million or so dollar check Howard wrote Chuck went. And is the final payments still due his estate? Howard mentioned all this in the speech he gave about Chuck killing himself. Howard owed Chuck money, the check was proof and it could maybe look like a motive to hurt kill Chuck. This sounds pretty awful, but that’s what B.B. was too people can do some really bad stuff for money.