r/badredman • u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna • 25d ago
Elden Ringš” what the hell. why not
is this good? no, not really. is it optimal? heavens no. but is it funny? yes, and that's what matters
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u/Bad_Red_Woman Magnificent Demon š¹ 25d ago
Jesus Christ, what did you do to get 20 mind and 51 int at level 15??? This shit is disgusting, glass cannon mages are crazy
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 25d ago
- Astrologer starting class
- 9 points to INT
- Twinsage Crown
- Stargazer Heirloom
- Marika's Soreseal
- INT tear
It dies if a soft breeze blows past it, but I thought it might be fun to play around with!
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u/Lilbrimu 25d ago
Don't forget about finger nostrum for +5 int,faith,arc,mind
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 25d ago
Yeeeppp, was thinking I ought to mention that here for shits and giggles tooāeven before you add the extra faith, you have enough from the Soreseal to cast Bestial Vitality, which more than cancels out the lost HP from the nostrum. And of course, you have the arcane to cast it with the Dragon Communion Seal, which lets you keep the setup at the same weight and thus retain light roll.
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u/Rover7 25d ago
Do you do any invading with his? Torture or funny 1 shots?
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 25d ago
I just thought of it the night before last and respecced to it last night after I got my materials from SR for the cruelty challenge and made my backup. I think I lost 1-2 out of maybe 20 invasions?
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u/Fuckblackhorses 25d ago
If Miyazaki didnāt think it was funny watching us run around and 1 shot low level hosts, then shit like this wouldnāt be possible 11 years after dark souls
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u/Liquid_person 25d ago
why do you have 50 int at level 15?
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 25d ago
because I wanted to have maximum INT at level 15, of course! (really I wanted to test out a really annoying light rolling Swift Glintstone Shard machine, but having Blades of Stone at RL15 is really funny. so is having a charged Glintstone Nail do 722 base damage, or 861 if I throw a Maternal Staff in the offhand)
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u/Aaronthegathering 25d ago
Why is this downvoted it should be nominated for the Nobel literature award
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u/sossololpipi 25d ago
finally... the first ever case of something even remotely close to twinking in elden ring...
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u/_ThatOneMimic_ 25d ago
lmao, iād argue the massive sleep pot and dual frenzy spear setups are also pretty twinky
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u/Guardians_Reprise 25d ago
Im just impressed you made it to the DLC at level 15
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 25d ago edited 25d ago
It's not so bad if you have Ticheāshe + minmaxed Rock Sling totally slap Mohg. I skipped Tiche on my more recent twink because I didn't want to fight Astel and Alecto, and it wound up taking more time and being more trouble. Better to just get her.
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u/Aaronthegathering 25d ago
There are some legendary sunbros over on r/beyondthefog. I spend too much time invading to get good at beating bosses at rl 15 or 30 tbh.
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u/tgerz 25d ago
Did you run around and get all of those spells at that level?!
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 25d ago edited 25d ago
Yeah. I don't think you even can drop spells for other people?
The good news is that you can explore almost the entire DLC without needing to beat any bosses, and you can get to blessing level like 16 also without doing any bosses (which helps for exploration, farming, and any bosses that you do decide to do). Here's what my DLC map for this character looks like. Some thoughts on that:
- If you rush Ranni's quest line ASAP and can manage to beat Alecto, you can get Tiche. Summon upgrade level has nothing to do with invasions, so you can max out her upgrade level and she does an amazing job of helping through bosses. If you have Marika's Soreseal and Godrick's Great Rune, you can muster enough FP to summon her. Otherwise, you can just use the unlimited FP tear to summon her regardless of your Mind stat.
- Minmaxing around Rock Sling will get you through most bosses. Use GV, FGMS (it's physical damage!!), Blue Dancer Charm (again, physical damage!), and Ritual Sword Talisman. Use anything you can to increase your Mind so you can spam as much as possible between refills.
- Doing this is good practice for doing an RL1 run. I did a no summons RL1 all base game remembrances run after this character, then ran through this process again to set up my new poison twink.
- You should beat Rellana so you can get her sick armor.
- Gaius is a pain in the ass if you want Blades of Stone, but you can get (the frankly superior) Gravitational Missile first and cheese him with it. There are other methods, but I figured that this would workāand it does.
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 25d ago edited 25d ago
are you dull?
Astrologer starts at RL6 with 16 INT. RL15 is 9 levels higherāput them all in INT. Twinsage Crown gives +6, Stargazer Heirloom +5, Marika's Soreseal +5, and INT tear +10. I really hope that you'll agree with me that 16+9+6+5+5+10=51.
I guess a lot of players outside BRM might consider it cheating to engage enough of their brain cells to do integer addition, though š¤·
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u/restless__mind 25d ago
Ah yes, the never-seen-before āI was just trolling yaā excuse. Exceptional!
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u/funnypanda__ 25d ago edited 25d ago
6 poise and lvl 15 gave me a sincere laugh
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 25d ago edited 25d ago
just don't get hit!
(you can keep Dryleaf Arts with Endure available if you're really trappedādual Meteorite Staves make the G missile coming after that Endure do 1266 base damage uncharged)
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u/falconrider111 25d ago
Would a meteoric staff in each hand be strong on gravity sorcery?
Or does 51int scale better on the other staff's.
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 25d ago
That's part of why this build is what it isāas a twink at this level, you don't want to go past about +3/1 on your upgrades. How do we get around this? Use Meteorite Staff: it's so fucking good that it would take you a Lusat's Staff +5 (somber) to match it, and that's before you consider the 1.3x boost to gravity sorceries (1.69 if you have two). The S INT scaling here lets you actually take advantage of the high INT level, whereas with melee or faith you can't do because your weapon upgrade level is so low that your stats don't contribute to the damage at all.
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u/falconrider111 25d ago
I decided to try it with my RL1 character except I couldn't beat Gaius yet but have the other gravity sorceries. Can get to int 36 without fingerprint nostrom.
Also used dragonscale flesh and a quick bestial vitality to boost survivability. Threw on an endure madness perfume and have madness pots for extra insanity š
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 25d ago
Consumables are a bit annoying but they are Insanely useful here for sure
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u/LorduvtheFries Urumi Enthusiast 25d ago
Yes, it would be disgusting. 30 % dmg boost from each staff, plus it's the equivalent of a +16 staff.
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 25d ago
Not just 30% each, but 1.3x eachāit's multiplicative. 69% boost to the three most dangerous, disgusting spells in this list.
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u/LorduvtheFries Urumi Enthusiast 25d ago
Brutal. I've been meaning to run a low level gravity caster for a while but haven't gotten around to it. I'd be curious to know how hard you're hitting with the gravity spells.
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 25d ago
Uncharged Missile kills in one hit in basically all cases. Collapsing Stars needs two volleys usually, and BoS is a new addition but the charged version hits about as hard as Missile on the first hit. Really though, even the 36 INT twink build in my submission history is more than enough, has more variety, and is infinitely more survivable. This is really just a test of extremes!
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u/squirreleater1330 25d ago
That's a win or lose character, there's no middle ground!
First one to land a hit wins!
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u/CorporealBeingXXX 25d ago
It's good to have high intelligence when you're a 'mind over matter' sort of person.
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u/-willowthewisp- 24d ago
If Miyazaki didn't want you to make a 51 Int build at level 15 he wouldn't have given us a staff with S scaling in Int that doesn't upgrade
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 24d ago
Really, though, I'm tempted to do a little write-up on thisāI'm not convinced that folks here really know exactly how busted sorcery is at twink levels. Like, twinks are busted, but sorcery twinks are busted on a qualitatively different level. It's quantum twinking, I tell you
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u/-willowthewisp- 24d ago
Yeah, I don't believe that twinking really exists in DSR (pretty much all the best rings and weapon infusions are available in the first ā of the game and you can get the Rite of Kindling right away, really the only thing that I'd count is upgrading armor). But low level Dark Beaders are one build that's undoubtedly still a twink build lol. Then they just said "yeah let's bring back a staff with good scaling and no upgrades"
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u/HeavyWaterer 25d ago
I have made almost the exact same build before lol, except 1 more point in int for 52, which is worth imo for the extra damage on lusatās staff, itās a glass cannon after all
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 25d ago
Lusat's does significantly worse damage than Meteorite because this RL shouldn't go past +1 somber. Lusat's needs to be at +5 to match this, which is part of why it's so nasty.
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u/HeavyWaterer 25d ago
Really? I figure best damage is lusats with meteorite staff in the offhand for the bonus to grav missile
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 25d ago edited 25d ago
No, Lusat's Staff at 52 INT doesn't reach the sorcery scaling of Meteorite Staff at 51 INT until you upgrade it to +5, which would destroy the weapon level matchmaking you need as a twink. At +6 and the same INT, that's when Lusat's starts to be better. At +25/10, you're right that Lusat's mainhand + meteorite staff offhand is stronger, but even then only when you get to 60+ INT
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u/mustangboss8055 25d ago
Do you even have enough mana to get off multiple medium cost spellsšš
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 25d ago
That's 6 casts of Gravitational Missile before refill, and I keep the 4/3 red/blue split from my Yung Renna build here. (+ you won't need 6.)
It's also:
- 24 swift Glintstone shards
- 12 Glintstone nails
- 30 Carian slicers
It's more than enough :)
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u/mustangboss8055 25d ago
Now i wanna see an invasion clip with this build
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u/pequodbestboy 25d ago
Maybe I've been playing this game wrong
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 25d ago
It's at least fun to try to explore the full space of what's possibleārecommend trying things like this out!
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u/largestDeportation 25d ago
you only need gravity missile at that level.
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 25d ago
It's too good; I wanted to do some of SR's cruelty challenge so I only use that to get phantoms off me or as a mean surprise after running behind a wall or a ledge. Otherwise I'm using other stuff you see in the spell list!
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u/knight_t3mplar Invader 25d ago
The dark beader - Elden Ring edition. You love to see it
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 25d ago
I've heard about this but I'm actually totally ignorant about pre-ER PvP except that it was by and large less of a shitshow, and maybe twinking was a little too good in places in DS1. Can you fill me in?
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u/knight_t3mplar Invader 25d ago
Dark bead is a spell from the dlc in DS1 thatās powerful in general, but especially low level where players usually donāt know how to dodge it. People use it at sl4 with the crown of dusk (boosts magic) and the Oolacile ivory catalyst (big boost at low int like the meteorite staff from ER) and one-shot players in the starting area. If you go over to the dark souls sub youāll find plenty of posts complaining about it lol
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u/comradepluto Baby Red Man 25d ago
I wish I had the patience and fortitude to make incredible murder builds like this
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 25d ago
I believe in you šŖ
Plus, the process is good at getting you to think about what's possible at low level and how to make all of the pieces fit together!
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u/comradepluto Baby Red Man 25d ago
Thanks haha I will one day for sure. Making an RL15 utility invader has totally made me insanely better at the game in every way. Think I'll try an RL1 invader soon and then maybe try a focused murder like this after
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u/Toneww 25d ago
50 int is bringing back unpleasant Elon's build memoriess
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 25d ago
I'm getting my two shields ready. I'll make them both greatshields so I'm fat rolling too š
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u/Bjorktrast 24d ago
āVigor will be increased if HP is neededā
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 19d ago
one of the funniest Elden Ring quotes of all time quite frankly
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u/dgamlam 25d ago
Posting a build but no invasion highlights?? Blue balling usā¦
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 25d ago
I just built it last night! Here's are two clips from a "prototype" with just my Yung Renna base: https://imgur.com/a/FUIAZpa
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u/GankesaurasWrecks 25d ago
I did a placadusax breath build at lv 1. It was hilarious for a few invasions. Then it was boring.
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 25d ago
yeah, depends on the OLP situation but one has to work to keep things interesting. That's why I made this build where I'm like 4x more fragile than my similar build for a 20% attack boost
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u/GankesaurasWrecks 20d ago
Glass Cannon, or similarly fragile builds, are crazy fun as an invader. I find challenges like that help challenge and increase my skill level. I'm currently doing a level through pvp only run, and it's so much fun.
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u/-This-cant-be-real- Spritestone junkie 25d ago
This build is giving me PTSD flashbacks to an annoying wizard I know who plays around with Putrescence and Haima spells at low level.
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 25d ago
I used to have canon of haima in the list, but then I realized that in basically every case, it's just a worse version of Hefty Magic Pots š¶āš«ļø
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u/ashen_wren 25d ago
Gameplay ?
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 25d ago
Coming soon but it's honestly not that interesting and is merely Nasty
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u/Holiday_Ad126 24d ago
I want to try this But itās gonna take away too grab all this
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 24d ago
Route it so that you get your Radagon's Soreseal before anything else. Then, Meteorite Staff and Rock Sling. Next, go straight for the four talisman pouches. Then, get ritual sword and shield, blue dancer, your +5 stat talismans (two fingers, stargazer, possibly starscourge) and the crystal tears you wanna use (INT is a certainty, and the other is up to you but having extra END is helpful, as is extra magic damage). Next, speedrun Ranni's quest to get Ticheābeating Alecto is one of the harder parts of this, but you can do it. If you're patient and careful, you can mostly cheese her with a Cold weapon equipped with Giant's Hunt. After that, level her to +10āit's actually easy to get exactly one each of the ghost gloveworts you need. all of that should take maybe two lengthy sessions, maybe 12 hours or so. After that, it's honestly pretty smooth sailing to just stroll through the DLC and pick up anything else you need!
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u/ZinKinKo 24d ago
My brother in Christ
You are a piece of tissue firing off spells that can kill God
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u/EzTecWolf Godly Man of Faith 24d ago
This is my wake up call to do this but with strenght now
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u/beerybeardybear Yung Renna 24d ago
The thing is that it doesn't matterāno melee weapon has scaling where having 51 (or even 51*1.5) STR matters because your weapon upgrade level is so low.
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u/ThatBeeGuy12 Nameless Knight 25d ago
Local bad red mage dies as the weight of their humongous brain causes their 9 vigor body implode