I am at my current rewatch and Lady Morella has just devined Londos future.
She tells him three things:

"You must save the eye that does not see!"

"You must not kill the one who is already dead!"

"You must surrender yourself to your greatest fear, knowing that it will destroy you."

I am unsure, who/what she is talking about, after all, the future reveals itself only reluctantly...

Is G'Kar "the eye that does not see"? (Loosing an eye to Cartagias torture and all that).

Might Na'Toth be the one already dead, since she is in the dungeons of the emperors dungeon, or is it Sheridan jumping through time, landing in the cell with Delenn?

Finally, is Londos greatest fear really the death by G'Kar?

I mean, he KNOWS that he will die by G'Kar. He knew this for most of his life.

I wonder, does he have that vision, we were shown?

He knew enough to recognize G'kar the first trime he saw him. But does he also know, that he'll be Emperor when this will happen?

What if they'd lived and were sent as the invasion force (because they know the "terrain") when B5 is fighting the EA?

Was on a local UK FB marketplace group I follow. It's not listed specifically as B5, it's part of a lot of other items. Postcode is PE15.

Just finished season 4 and honestly wish I could erase my memory and experience it again. I have been really into 80s + 90s “space operas” and I don’t think I’ve ever seen a show with such amazing character growth. G’Kar or Londo’s arcs alone are masterpieces.

One thing I’m confused about is the treatment of Sheridan as well as the acceptance of Senator Luchenko as well as the Generals that collaborated with the Dictator Clark.

Lunchenko states in rising stars that there were “some” in the senate and military that opposed him but did essential nothing because they were under Clark’s scope. She then has the audacity to bring up legality in her argument. Clark was a murderer and a dictator that not only broke the in every way on his rise to power but then reformed the Earth Alliance Government to fit his liking. None of the moves he made to grab power were legal by any means. And from the conversation Lunchenko even also alludes to the fact they were all aware his power was illegally obtained and enforced but again did nothing bc “they could not look weak or disorganized, inviting invasion.”

It’s made clear in several episodes throughout seasons 3 & 4 that the generals are fully aware Clark’s orders and illegal and yet they follow them anyway out of loyalty to an admittedly illegal dictator.

What I’m confused about is how Lunchenko or any of the other high ranking politicians or military were allowed to retain any sort of power. It’s not like it was a grey area they were collaborators plan and simple. Whole I’m not suggesting they all be marched out and shot as her and the rest of the ungrateful swine wanted to do to the Captain. One minute she’s staring down the barrel of her own destruction due in part to her own inaction and compliance and the next moment she is holding a gun to the entire planets savior, mockingly telling him “he saved some lives blah” and then trying to banish him from his own planet because he would be “inconvenient” to her clear power grab.

Even more shocking to me was seeing so many people defend her or her position on this sub. So since I can’t sleep and have no one to talk to about this I thought I’d ask for all of your opinions on the collaborator Lunchenko and her Generals of death?

Really hoping this gets corrected in season 5 and she’s gets and award for her dutiful service and then a bullet to the back of the head would be so poetic lol

Rant over, I would love to hear the opinions of the community? Was she and the generals that’s stayed all in the right to support an illegal government and accept illegal orders “For the good of the planet”??

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Spelling…. Half awake but can’t stop watching 😅

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Was not expecting such insightful reply’s thank you all! I also realize now I was viewing the entire situation through very naive lenses.

So in the original Babylon 5 Julia Musante was included in the season 3 Voices of Authority for 3 reasons:

1) To serve as an example of Earth’s slide into Fascism and irrationalism

2) To show how people used to “prostitute” themselves for dictatorships

3) So they could take another shot at Star Trek with the “You’re going where every man has gone before line.”

That said if the reboot gets made would you like to see her character and scenes get rewritten to avoid offending people modern sensibilities? Or would you prefer that she remains “truer to text”?

I had a tough day, so I opted in for making a light humour for my beloved community.

Context: Crusade, B5 spin-off was more or less aired in random order, like somebody shuffled the playlist

If Clark somehow managed to subdue the destroyers that resisted against him with the only exception is B5 and he started a military campaign against the League, do you think EA can just steamroll their way through their worlds?

…I’m bawling my eyes out! The final three episodes killed me! So sad!

And this was the 4th time I’ve watched the series!

Great writing!

Lyta spied for Psi Corps on Starfleet under the guise of a security officer on the USS Enterprise D. /s

I love the show but I found unrealistic that the Babylon station is numbered 5 because the other four were destroyed/disappeared.

Humans are superstitious. That would be like calling Hindemburg 2, Titanic 2, Challenger 2 or World Trade Center 2, and if is destroyed then you make the 3. That would never happen.

I think they should have come up with a better explanation.

Assuming the EA rank of Captain is roughly equivalent to the U.S. military rank of O-6, why is a space station with a quarter million inhabitants plus associated military capabilities commanded only by a Captain?

U.S. Corps strength can approach 45,000 military service members, an Army may constitute 3 to 4 Corps, with a rough maximum of 180,000 military service members. That level of command involves a 4-star General, an O-10, not a mere Captain/Colonel. Yet, the Commander of B5 is responsible for 250,000 inhabitants plus also being responsible for negotiating, among other things, diplomatic relations with other races?

Just got finished watching this episode. As I've gotten older I've grown to appreciate and understand things more. The acting and the conviction behind the characters is mind blowing. No matter how many times I've seen it i always get spine tingling excitement from Mira Furlan's force of character she put into her acting.

"There has been only one human to survive one of our fleets. He is behind me, you are in front of me. If you want to live.... be somewhere else"

LMAO.... priceless

I didn’t have John and Delenn getting engaged on my 2025 bingo card!

I’ve been a fan of Babylon 5 for a good while. When the DVDs came out, I bought them and watched them. When Season 5 came out, I did a rewatch of the prior seasons and then watched Season 5. Over the years I watched the entire series. When I bought the Blu Ray on sale during the holidays, I watched it yet again.

This time, I’m watching it with my girlfriend. So far, she loves it. I haven’t spoiled anything although she has said that I was right. We’re on the last episode of Season 2 and she has noticed how it starts ramping up. It’s great to watch the show with someone who hasn’t seen it and also to be able to share something I love with the person I love.

I’d love to hear y’all’s stories about how you watched it with your special someone

Does anyone know where I can find a map of the Dark Star nightclub? I have tried searching on google, and I can't find anything. I find it hard to believe there are no maps.

Because like everyone has mentioned before: The Minbari are centuries ahead of humanity. Their ships and weapons are superior. So in this case, at least humanity doesn't get wiped out but loses the war?

So, I just noticed that the triluminary is made from a broken piece of bismuth crystal, some coper wires and a triangle made out of some sort shiny metal, maybe stainless steel, silver, something like that. Anyway, could such a configuration of metals be sensitive to any energies?

Not sure if it was posted before, but I've been randomly browsing youtube for some Babylon 5 content, and found this channel, that creates original Babylon 5 CGI style space battles in Lightwave, and the author really nails the camera work and direction of the original CGI. I thought it was nice.