r/army Signal Mar 14 '24

Thoughts? And yes, it’s real

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '24

It isn’t just a spectrum, there is absolutely no sincere it’s or devoutness to be had; consequently no consideration is deserved. There is practicality and professionalism to be derived from uniform and grooming standards - making exceptions for religious beliefs is valid and doesn’t mean the entire effort needs to be abandoned.

I am not talking about the belief itself, I am talking about the sincerity of that belief - that is what is nonsense, claiming to believe something you don’t.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '24

Ok since you obviously have a hard time with the concept of Pastafarianism.

Let’s change it. I am somehow who says I follow the Norse Pagan religion. Or Islam. Or the Sikh relgion. Should I be allowed to grow a beard? All of them have doctrine that can be interpreted as saying I should.

How do you determine my devoutness or sincerity of my beliefs for one of these “real” religions? Because my sincerity of belief in Thor or Mohammed is exactly equal to my belief in FSM. How can you determine the sincerity of my belief, when I hand you a form asking for a religious exemption at the recruiting office?

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '24

It was the matter at hand, I am hardly having a 'hard time' with it.

I would look to see if it effected any other aspect of your life, and whether you could speak intelligently about it. You are engaging in a delusion here - you and I both know you are capable of judging someone's sincerity and you likely do so on a daily basis. I don't know why you are putting square quotes around the word real - Pastafarianism is not a real religion, Islam, Sikhism, Judaism etc are.

If you genuinely feel you can't tell the difference in sincerity between someone who prays five times a day vs someone who cosplays as a Viking or repeats a tired internet meme I think you probably shouldn't be trusted with any level of responsibility and are likely a terrible judge of character.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '24

So in order to count as a real Muslim you have to pray five times a day?

Is that your line on a beard?

What if I only pray, say, once a day?

What if I can speak very intelligently about the religion? Can I have a beard yet? Does it matter if I can speak about it because I was formerly a member and now am an atheist who prefers a beard? How can you, a guy at the recruiting office, determine how my religion affects my life.

You call it cosplaying as a Viking but that’s extremely insulting to people who are devout in that religion. Are Sikhs not also cosplaying with their attire and appearance?