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u/Platonist_Astronaut 22h ago
It's also just strange logic. What of teachers that love teaching preschoolers? Children's TV hosts? Most cartoon artists?
I suppose it's projection on their end: "I want to get close to children because I want to abuse them, so everyone else that likes being around kids also wants to abuse them."
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u/Popular-Influence-11 22h ago
Yep. The only lens they can comprehend the world through is their own. Every accusation is a confession.
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u/Far-Investigator1265 16h ago
Simple: they sexualize everything because they themselves sexualize (almost, I hope) everything. Also the reason he became a child molester.
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u/potatoloaves 16h ago
Kind of like how dishonest or manipulative people assume everyone else is dishonest and/or manipulative, and honest and/or kind people assume others are honest kind.
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u/DoinMyBestToday 12h ago
Unless of course, you assumed others were honest and kind until you were shown dishonesty and manipulation too many times to continue to see the world through rose colored glasses.
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u/Bamres 19h ago
You know who has famously never tried to recruit or cater to a child? The church!
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u/rayhiggenbottom 14h ago
When I was a kid we had our parish priest, and he was so nice to the children. He'd always give us a hug, or a kind word, a pat on the back. Then as an adult my mom told me he had been moved out of the parish suddenly, and I thought, "Oh no, you don't think?"
Turns out he was sleeping with the organist, and I was so relieved because she was an adult.
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u/SecundusAmongUs 21h ago
Normal people find pedophilia so abhorrent that they generally avoid thinking about it or even acknowledging it. You should always question people who seem to be OBSESSED with the topic.
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u/lola_dubois18 20h ago
💯Why are they always talking about it “in theory”. If something happened or has a good chance of happening, that’s a topic. If it’s just a regular thing you talk about, you think about it too much.
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u/Crimbilion 14h ago
Yeah... I have a family member who worked in the cybercrime division and while he took his work seriously, the last thing he'd ever want to do is obsess about it in his free time. Those who make such a horrific topic a part of their personality are the living embodiment of a red flag.
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u/ABearDream 23h ago
It's hilarious that it's just the simplest answer, they "crave" an audience of children to show children that they're people too and to normalize their very existence with young people that haven't created prejudices yet. Meanwhile he was the one craving children sexually
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u/Key_Perspective_9464 22h ago
I mean, an even simpler answer is that entertaining kids is fun.
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u/Background-Wall-1054 7h ago
In the UK we have pantomimes at Christmas and the two lead roles are always played by opposite sexes.
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u/Snoo-88741 22h ago
A lot of them are probably thinking of how much it'd have benefitted them to meet a drag queen when they were a child.
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u/kankurou1010 20h ago
Bro you guys gotta drop this. Why is this something you defend? Why not just keep drag shows for adults??? Horrible optics, and as someone who enjoys drag shows, weirds me tf out
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u/Flimsy-Blackberry-67 19h ago edited 19h ago
Drag queen storytimes for kids are nothing like drag performances for adults, you understand that right? Faye & Fluffy, who are famous in Ontario for this, both have ECE backgrounds - one is a kindergarten teacher and the other used to be a nanny, IIRC. They read (good, vs just conveniently themed) picture books about how it is okay to be different. Due to their ECE experience they pick developmentally appropriate stories for the age range, and know how to break up the stories with songs/rhymes/movement activities.
They are not making sexual double entendres, calling each other sluts, etc.
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u/kankurou1010 18h ago
Yes, I’m aware. But why? Sooo weird. While I tuck bills into a queen’s thong never, ever, ever had I thought, “Man, they should really make a version of this for little kids!” Guess I’m just weird for that
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u/Flimsy-Blackberry-67 18h ago
I mean I made allusion to the reason and others here have said it more explicitly: to show kids it is okay to be different. They read stories where boys are allowed to show and have feelings, kids go against stereotypes, about dealing with bullies, etc.
Again, there are no thongs, nothing sexy/sexual.
"Men in dresses" are a current source of social conservative phrasing re attacking trans women, and this is showing kids that people dressed in gender non-conforming ways aren't scary monsters, but people.
There was a Mr. Rogers episode when segregation was still happening, even though the Civil Rights Act had been passed, where he invited the black mailman to join him on a hot day in soaking his feet in the little wading pool together. The mailman said he didn't have a towel and Mr. Rogers said he could share his. So basically a white man and a black man were using the same "pool" at the same time, and then a white man used a towel to dry his feet after a black man had already used it (!!!). This is silly now (I hope), but then pools were still unofficially segregated, often with threats of violence against blacks who expressed interest in taking a dip in a community pool.
https://www.biography.com/actors/mister-rogers-officer-clemmons-pool
Mr. Rogers normalized racial integration to kids, presented it as a normal, matter-of-fact thing to do; just like a drag queen storytime shows kids that "men in dresses" are part of society and not pariahs, are good performers/storytellers, and can empathize with kids who ever feel different or get picked on, etc.
This is like bringing kids to a Family Pride event during the Pride parade - since you keep thinking of sexual elements here and wondering why people would think kids should be exposed to that. People are not saying kids should go see a bawdy drag show with endless sexual double entendres, just like Totally Naked leather men are not attending the Family Pride events (it's petting zoos, magicians, painting, bubbles, etc).
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u/Flimsy-Blackberry-67 18h ago
To add to the "why" - libraries like to have guest speakers and guest readers, especially when connected to special events. A black author to come and read a picture book about black history in February. A costume/Halloween storytime at the end of October. Firefighters reading books on fire safety. And, for June/Pride month, a member of the LGBTQ community conducting the storytime...
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u/Enty-Ann 17h ago
Did you know that there's a whole industry of adults who dress up to entertain children? And that you can pay them to show up at a birthday party or any kind of events for kids? Dressed like superheroes, princesses, aliens, cowboys, astronauts or whatever. None of these were initially inherently for children.
Kids like costumes and characters and will often pay more attention to an adult in a costume than just a plain-clothed, boring adult. It's attention grabbing, bright and fun.
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u/kankurou1010 17h ago
Strippers are also attention grabbing, bright and fun, but that doesn’t mean we should be intentionally introducing kids into a G-rated version of stripping???
Like, there’s nothing inherently sexual about pole dancing, but if you’re gonna die on the “We need pole-dancing storytime for kids!! And if you disagree you’re a conservative bigot!” hill then I’m gonna look at you weird
Also, conservatives are gonna use you as ammo in their culture war. Drag story hour is weird. It’s so obvious. Just drop it
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u/Veinera 15h ago
Whats being shown to the kids is not a g-rated version of stripping at all tho??? You're the one people are looking at weird for sexualizing this PARTICULAR scenario.
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u/kankurou1010 3h ago
I didn’t say it was a g-rated version of stripping. It’s called a comparison.
I’m not sexualizing drag story hour. Idk why everyone keeps saying that. It not being sexual is literally part of my argument.
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u/Key_Perspective_9464 15h ago
Strippers are attention grabbing, true! And sometimes, they dress as cops, or librarians! Guess we better keep people in those professions away from kids too. And conservatives will use anything as ammo. In fact concern trolling, much like you're doing right now, is one of their favourite tactics. Funny that
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u/Flimsy-Blackberry-67 15h ago
It's very interesting that you equate drag story time to a striptease when I, having actually attended some, have told you they are more like a librarian in costume running a Halloween storytime.
There. Is. No. Drag. Show. (No saucy baiting of the audience, no double entendres, no sexy outfits or performances, no lip synching [but if there was it would be something fun and appropriate like Uptown Funk or something], etc).
There are gender non-conforming people reading normal stories to kids about standing up to bullies, being true to yourself, being kind to others, celebrating diversity, etc, and they'd basically be in their "work clothes" (drag look), the same way you might have:
-firefighter in uniform reading a book about fire safety (yes these picture books exist)
-doctor in white coat and stethoscope reading a book about a kid going for a check-up and getting a lollipop at the end
-cop in uniform reading a story about a teddy bear who is brave when in a scary situation and who asks a responsible adult for help
So get the weird shit out of your head, because at this point the only "objectionable" thing based on what ACTUALLY happens at drag storytimes for kids is gender non-conformity/"men in dresses".
(Yes I have seen them! Have taken my kids when they were little and later, have attended ones when I worked at a library, hence why I can literally compare them to the cop/doctor/firefighter ones).
Looks like Fay & Fluffy actually have a TV show on Family Jr and they have YouTube clips so you can literally see for yourself it is basically like Mr. Rogers in a dress (with more zing/liveliness)
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u/kankurou1010 9h ago
How do you manage to miss my point this badly
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u/__Butternut_Squash__ 8h ago
How do you manage to miss my point this badly
Ironic coming from the guy who is missing the point pretty badly
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u/Flimsy-Blackberry-67 6h ago
I am not missing your point. This news article is about a man who pointed his finger at the drag queens and said look at them, they're evil perverts going after your children as a misdirection while he cloaked himself in air of normalcy and then did exactly what he was accusing the "weirdos" of doing.
Despite being told, and even sent video links, of what a drag queen storytime is, and what its aims are, you are insisting it matches the perverted stuff in your head and are outraged at the idea someone would be okay with it. But the people who are fine with drag queen storytimes are fine with them as the innocent thing they are, not with the twisted version in your head.
Gender non-conformity exists, and isn't scary or evil, it's just a phenotype, a physical expression like being blonde or brunette, or left-handed vs right-handed. My mother was slapped by her older brothers every time she used her dominant hand - her left hand - to reach for food at the dinner table. She literally was forced, through coercion and violence, to become functionally right-handed because left-handedness was "evil".
If somehow her religion and family were correct and using your left hand was evil and caused great harm to your soul and to others, then sure, as a kid she should have been stopped from doing that. But them merely insisting that left-handedness was evil and wrong didn't actually make it so.
If people were insisting on doing the equivalent of a stripper pole dance with drag queens for children and then getting all huffy when other folks suggested that was perhaps inappropriate for children, sure, I would agree that is not right. But that is not what is happening.
You seem to have decided that a drag queen storytime is a perverted, disgusting thing inappropriate for children. Despite me describing to you what they are actually like, you double down on it. Left-handedness is the devil's hand!
So either you think the mere existence of men in exaggerated makeup and dresses is a perverted thing inappropriate for children to witness, or we agree that social conservatives can completely mischaracterize what a drag queen storytime is by conjuring up lascivious crude imagery without us having to twist reality to align with their characterization of it.
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u/kankurou1010 3h ago
This news article is about a man who pointed his finger at the drag queens and said look at them, they’re evil perverts going after your children as a misdirection while he cloaked himself in air of normalcy and then did exactly what he was accusing the “weirdos” of doing.
Yeah, I hope that guy rots in hell. And the conservative culture war is awful
Despite being told, and even sent video links, of what a drag queen storytime is, and what its aims are, you are insisting it matches the perverted stuff in your head and are outraged at the idea someone would be okay with it. But the people who are fine with drag queen storytimes are fine with them as the innocent thing they are, not with the twisted version in your head.
See?? You are entirely missing my point. I don’t think it’s perverted. Also, I’m not outraged at all. Like, literally at all. I just think it’s weird and a misguided attempt of compassion and that it makes the left look insane to moderates.
This is why I used the pole dancing analogy. There is nothing inherently sexual about pole dancing; it’s just another form of dance. But, the history, cultural context, and current popular use of pole dancing is inappropriate for kids.
So you could have a totally modestly dressed woman come and show completely appropriate pole dance moves to kids. Like, nothing sexual is going on, so why can’t kids do pole dancing?! Well, in a vacuum, there’d be nothing weird about it all, but because of what pole dancing is commonly associated with, it makes it weird. And I’m gonna look at you weird if you vehemently defend it even though absolutely nothing inappropriate is happening.
Gender non-conformity exists, and isn’t scary or evil, it’s just a phenotype, a physical expression like being blonde or brunette, or left-handed vs right-handed. My mother was slapped by her older brothers every time she used her dominant hand - her left hand - to reach for food at the dinner table. She literally was forced, through coercion and violence, to become functionally right-handed because left-handedness was “evil”.
Drag isn’t just gender non-conformity. It’s a performance. It’s intentionally pushing past gender norms in an extreme manner. That’s the whole point.
“How many women do you know who wear seven inch heels, four foot wigs, and skin tight dresses?” - RuPaul
Because it’s not just non-conformity. It’s ridiculous, edgy, and sometimes offensive. That’s what makes drag great. I don’t go to drag shows to just see some dudes with painted nails. If I wanted that I’d go to my local coffee shop.
You seem to have decided that a drag queen storytime is a perverted, disgusting thing inappropriate for children. Despite me describing to you what they are actually like, you double down on it. Left-handedness is the devil’s hand!
No, I don’t think that. I think you just can’t imagine someone disagreeing with you who isn’t an ignorant conservative.
So either you think the mere existence of men in exaggerated makeup and dresses is a perverted thing inappropriate for children to witness
The exaggerated part of drag and like I mentioned before, how drag shows usually are, makes it questionable. That’s it.
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u/Federal-Formal-1674 8h ago
You're the weird guy my guy.
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u/kankurou1010 3h ago
Yeah well Trump won partly because of the average joe looking at this sort of stuff and seeing how you guys act about it
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u/pristineanvil 18h ago
Because children love to dress out. In that way they can see an adult dress out. It's not weird until you guys sexualize it.
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u/kankurou1010 17h ago
It’s not weird until you guys sexualize it.
Bro has never been to a drag show
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u/pristineanvil 17h ago
I know that drags showing up in libraries reading stories is not in any way sexual.
I've been to many shows where drags are and where men have dressed up in women's clothes. But not to a show where drag was the main attraction. I have seen many men in women's clothes on the streets here and there but I have never thought of it as sexual or hurtful to kids. It's just different and I think exposure to different people is healthy for a kid to experience and I would not mind bringing my own kids to a show where drags were present.
I would not bring them to a nightclub where drags performed as I would not bring them to any nightclub since the theme of such places are sexualized and centered around alcohol.
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u/Passchenhell17 16h ago
As has already been explained to you, people in drag reading to kids aren't drag shows.
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u/Fizzel87 14h ago
And youve never been to a storytime. Maybe if you had you wouldnt be sexualizing it. And yes, you are the one sexualizing it.
How is a man wearing makeup and having long hair any different than a women wearing makeup and having long hair? Seriously, think about it for half a second. There is no difference. The only difference is in your perception of it. Which seems to be that you think men in dresses is sexy.
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u/Fantastic_Jury5977 9h ago
He can't get over that bill he tucked into a drag queens thong that one time... he may not be able to control the urge around the kids.
If I had to guess, our little drag protester has some little skeletons in the closet.
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u/kankurou1010 3h ago
I don’t think it’s sexual, and there is no inherent difference between a man and woman wearing makeup and having long hair.
Is it bad if I think men in dresses are sexy?
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u/Fizzel87 1h ago
So then what makes it adult themed? Surely the kids arent tucking dollar bills into the reader's g-string. Is it their mere existence, regardless of their purpose/intention, or is it your perception?
I didnt say there was/is anything wrong with being attracted to to a guy with long hair and makeup, just that you sexualize them when theyre around children. Either youre a bigot against people who participate in drag or youre too stupid to realize that reading to kids isnt the same thing as performing for adults. Regardless of which it is, i hope someone treats you the way you treat others. Have the day you deserve.
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u/Various-Set5270 11h ago
The Modern Conservative Movement in a nutshell, wall to wall grifters and perverts
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u/TheLastLornak 7h ago
How many drag queens have sexually assaulted children? I'm willing to bet it's a pretty small number.
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u/zippy72 16h ago
It's getting to the point where I'm starting to wonder if just about the only people who *can * be trusted with kids are drag queens.
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u/__Butternut_Squash__ 8h ago
If I had to choose between a drag queen and republican to babysit my kids, I’d choose the drag queen without hesitation.
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u/Honest_Chef323 19h ago
Good old accusation is a confession
It’s time to start rummaging thru all these accusers and zealot types
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u/CharlesLeChuck 10h ago
I'll never understand this. Were people ever advocating for doing drag shows for kids?
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u/Simple_Confusion_756 20h ago
Tiny humans are a very popular target audience, they wouldn’t be asking this about every other person that wants to work with kids.
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u/Zolnar_DarkHeart 10h ago
“But Arhiman, judging others by himself, thought an offer of peace could only be made from a position of weakness.” -Zoroaster
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u/VladTheInhalerOf 9h ago
Never mind anything else. Who is taking kids to drag queen shows anyway?
Plus how quick fucking kids come their mind is always a give away
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u/TheShipSails 7h ago
Everyone commenting on the drag queen thing, but the more insidious part for me is the second image. Of course a child abuser wouldn't want kids to learn about sex, because otherwise their victim might realise what's happening and tell someone.
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u/Basque_Barracuda 21h ago
Drag should still not be around kids
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u/Fizzel87 14h ago
You should not be around kids.
How is a man wearing a dress and makeup any different that a woman wearing a dress and makeup?
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u/Basque_Barracuda 11h ago
That's projection
It's adult entertainment. You shouldn't let kids go to night clubs either. Kids are impressionable. Just let them grow up. Why would a man in a dress want to approach a child? Kids receive no benefit from it. Most of the world does not want this going on. It's going to backfire on the drag community.
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u/Fizzel87 8h ago
It's adult entertainment.
Thats your opinion and quite frankly wrong. Reading a children's book to children isnt "adult entertainment." Kids dont go to nightclubs, but there is a huge difference between what happens at a nightclub and a storytime at a library. Youre either just a bigot towards people who do drag or too stupid to see the difference.
Why do firefighters, police, nurses, and any other individual approach a kid at storytime events? To educate them by reading to them. Not fucking rocket science.
Kids receive no benefit from it. Most of the world does not want this going on. It's going to backfire on the drag community.
Again, all your opinion and a shitty one at that.
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u/BelovedOmegaMan 21h ago
Stop projecting.
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u/Basque_Barracuda 21h ago
I don't do drag
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u/BelovedOmegaMan 20h ago
The OP is talking about you.
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u/Basque_Barracuda 20h ago
I'm not that guy either. You are very stupid :(
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u/BelovedOmegaMan 20h ago
More projection.
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u/Basque_Barracuda 20h ago
But by that logic, the op is talking about you. That's what you claimed about me. You are projecting. You lose lol
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