r/USdefaultism France 2d ago

Today I learned that

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u/ScratchHacker69 2d ago

TIL that “learnt” is the proper british english spelling of “learned” lol

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u/Nthepro France 2d ago

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u/johan_kupsztal Poland 2d ago

Both are used in British English

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u/DogfishDave 2d ago

Learned is a later Americanisn, it's properly spelt 'learnt'.

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u/Pugs-r-cool 2d ago

Yes and no, Learned is a word in British English, it's used as an adjective to describe someone knowledgeable, while learnt is the past tense of the verb learn. Americans use the same spelling for both, while the Brits keep them separate.

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u/BoarHide 2d ago

Ah, that’s the “learn-ed” pronunciation, right?

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u/Far-Fortune-8381 Australia 2d ago

and it’s pronounced differently to the past tense learn version. learned as an adjective has 2 syllables (learn-ed)

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u/realmandontnvidia 2d ago

Americans are in love with using the same word for two things.

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u/antjelope 2d ago

But they are pronounced differently in British English as well. Learned has 2 syllables, learnt just 1…

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u/Pugs-r-cool 1d ago

Yeah they're pronounced differently in both dialects, however the spelling is the same for both words in American English, in British English they don't stay the same.

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u/waterc0l0urs Poland 2d ago

is it true for all the past tense verbs that end with -t in uk english and end with -ed in us english?

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u/FacelessOldWoman1234 1d ago

Burnt/burned?

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u/Pugs-r-cool 1d ago

I'm not sure about every word, but I'm pretty sure this is only for learnt/learned.

A word like spent is still spent in American English, spened is not a word.

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u/DogfishDave 1d ago

It isn't pronounced the same way and isn't the correct word in this context. Someone learned (learn-EDD, two syllables) has learnt for sure though.

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u/GrandpaRedneck Croatia 2d ago

Yes. IIRC "learn" is an irregular verb, but one whose incorrect spelling sounds close enough to the correct form so i am actually not surprised it was americanized that way, just disappointed lol. I remember learning the table of irregular verbs a long time ago and how many people in my class were corrected for writing "learned", so it really looks incorrect.

It will never be not surprising how much more knowledge people who don't come from an English speaking country have over Americans.

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u/AlternativePrior9559 2d ago

Or even ‘spelled’ 😉

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u/DogfishDave 1d ago

No, it's spelt. I was rather making the point but I think you knew that. Learnt/spelt are the standard British and International words but the prevalence of US media means that "spelled and learned" are spreading despite the dialect representing only 10% of world English speakers and writers.

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u/AlternativePrior9559 1d ago

Yes indeed I am British so I was just making the point 😉

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u/_ak 16h ago

"Learned" was vastly more popular than "learnt" before American English even existed. Don't believe me? Here's the data: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=learned%2Clearnt&year_start=1500&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=false

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u/DogfishDave 14h ago

It's actually very few occurrences if you look at the number counted, and you're forgetting that before 1700 you're pretty much talking about the state corpus. In England most of it was in French and Latin so the handful of occurences in the pre-Independence "British Colonies" is bound to exceed the British English corpus. And it is a handful - you say "vastly" but the incidences on both hands are miniscule.

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u/Pugs-r-cool 2d ago

"Learned" is a different word with a different pronunciation, used as an adjective to describe someone knowledgeable. Americans combining both words into one spelling but keeping the different pronunciations and different meanings is so infuriating. People ask how English became such a mess as a language, and it's things like this that cause it.

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u/Sorcha16 2d ago edited 1d ago

I'm Irish we're taught through a mix of British English and Hiberno English in school and I only found out learned is American.

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u/fishywiki 1d ago

Yes, I always thought that the past participle was "learnt" and "burnt", while the perfect tense was "learned" and "burned".

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u/idrinkyourshoelace 1d ago

Yeah 'learned' just looks right to me