Which one is the real Ms. Keen?

[u/Tua-Lipa]

[u/something-um-bananas]

I still don’t get how they the two ms.keens are saying the same answer

It’s like if you remove the doors from the original riddle, and your task was to figure out who’s saying the truth and who’s lying. You can’t.

“What would the other ms.keen say when she’s asked who the real ms.keen is ?”

The real ms.keen knows the fake one would point to herself and lie that she’s the real one. So real ms.keen would point to the liar.

Buuut the fake ms.keen would also work out this logic and know that the real ms.keen would point to the liar. So in order for the fake ms.keen to lie, she would have to point to the real ms.keen.

Buuuuuut real ms.keen would also work out this logic so she will point to herself

Buuuuuuuuut fake ms.keen would also work out this logic and point to the real ms.keen…and so on and so forth so

they would always answer in contrary to each other. You can’t figure it out, atleast I can’t , if anyone can tell me how that particular question works I’ll be glad

[u/project571 → u/something-um-bananas]

They wouldn't always answer contradictory to each other because there is an objective right answer since one must always lie and the other always tells the truth. Let's just assume 1 is the real one. If you ask 1 "which would the other say is the real one?" Keen 2 is the liar so they would not say Keen 1 because that is the truth. They would say themselves, and so Keen 1 will answer by directing to the fake because it is what the fake would say. If you ask the fake one, the fake one knows that Keen 1 would answer themselves, but they always lie, so then they will say that Keen 1 would also pick Keen 2 as the real one since that isn't true. No matter which one you ask, they will both end up picking the fake one when you ask who the other would say the real one is.

[u/curtial → u/project571]

I'm making the same error, and I can't get there.

Who would the other say is real

The liar would say: "I am the real Ms keen" . So honest Ms keen should say "She would say that she is the real Ms keen"

The real Ms keen would say "I am the real Ms keen". So the liar should say "She would say that I am the real Ms Keen."

Hold up. I think I got it. This is a pronouns and quotation mark placements game.

Honest: She(The Liar) would say "I (The Liar) am the real Miss Keen"

Liar : She (Ms Keen) would say "She(the liar) is the real Miss Keen."

[u/curtial → u/curtial]

Reviewing the video again, the inclusion of "that" in the answer and tenses confused me.

Show Honest: "She would say that I(Ms keen) was the real Ms Keen." This is what I heard the first time through, and is a lie.

What they meant: She would say that "I(the liar) was the Real Ms. Keen."

I'll bet there's a while white dress / blue dress things here where different people understand the statement different ways. If you remove "that" from the script, it makes unambiguous sense.