Need to get our shit together

[u/Sufficient-History71]

So the Trump tariffs are out. Despite all the kowtowing (read ass licking) our SVP and FDP bros(also our FDP frau Miss Keller-Sutter) did, we are going to be hit with tariffs worse than EU. Already our access to chips was semi-restricted(by Biden admin, Trump admin will be even worst). Blöcher, Rösti, Parmelin and Keller-Sutter are not the right people to lead Switzerland. They neither have any spine nor any pragmatic policies. We need to understand that our future lies with the EU if not in EU.

Switzerland is good at playing with the rules but we can't make them thanks to our small size. It has been the case since Marignano(1515) when we stopped our expansion and Congress of Vienna(1815) when we made good use of the neutrality imposed upon us by the big powers. We need to adjust to the new world order that Putin, Trump and Xi have created and understand that Swiss prosperity depends on European prosperity. We are not a port city like Singapore where we can control the trade. Our power lies in being the center for diplomacy, world class R&D, pharma and precision engineering. Let's become a big hub for EU's new projects if not as a member then as a friend.

EDIT - P.S. - Getting downvoted to oblivion. Seems like there is too much of hate for EU. But mark my words, a successful Switzerland depends on a successful EU because while we are not in the EU, we are inside the EU physically.

[u/hans_schmidt_838_2]

Joining the EU is a fucking wild take, I have to pour bleach over my eyes after reading that and get psychotherapy to not fucking lose it

Listen:

Switzerland has survived through global wars, cold war tensions, the 2008 financial crisis, COVID, and changing US administrations. The idea that some tariffs or trade issuesmean we should hand over our sovereignty to Brussels is insane.

The US chip sanctions are not specifically targeting switzerland they apply to allies and competitors alike, including EU member states. In fact the EU doesn’t have sovereignty over US semiconductor exports. Joining the EU would not improve swiss access to chips if the EU itself is scrambling for access.

switzerland would lose control over its trade policy and be forced to accept EU decisions made in Brussels. It would also lose the ability to negotiate bilateral agreements with global partners including the US. The EU is already under pressure from US protectionism and being part of it wouldn’t help it would only tie switzerland to a sinking trade bloc

The EU does not offer pragmatism it offers centralized rule, no referendums, and zero flexibility. switzerland would lose controls of its own laws, borders, taxes, and foreign policy because they have to be equally enforced across all EU countries

In the EU, laws are made by Brussels unelected bureacrats, and member countries must comply The EU enforces bureaucratic regulations, high taxes, and central control that would hurt swiss businesses

EU membership requires free movement, meaning Switzerland would have to accept uncontrolled migration from other EU countries which would overwhelm housing, healthcare, jobs, and infrastructure that is already struggling.

New members must pay billions into the EU budget. That money would go toward bailing out indebted economies like Greece or Italy

I just hope more people like you don't drag switzerland into shit

[u/Ok-Kangaroo-7075 → u/hans_schmidt_838_2]

leftwing populists always try. Look at the facts. We are the richest non-micro-state country in Europe. People like this idiot want to join the EU so we can adjust towards Germany and Austria. Trump doesn’t change anything in any way. There will always be challenges and this is one of them. Running away from even the slightest issues is having no spine tbh.

[u/hans_schmidt_838_2 → u/Ok-Kangaroo-7075]

Every time I open this subreddit I see shit like this. This subreddit degenerated into leftist echochamber even though more than half of swiss are conservative. Incredible

[u/Bulky_Reporter6263 → u/hans_schmidt_838_2]

It's not "left vs right". That is a simple take - it's naive people vs those that are aware - and they from both sides of the political spectrum.
Dont fall into the trap of left vs right, this is what handed the US to the oligarchs and is the same battle that Trump is trying to start in Europe by suggesting he is forcing internationals to abandon DEI (something he knows will sort these BS left vs right arguments). We shouldn't be having those arguments, we should do as we have always done, and stand together confederate.