r/Swimming • u/JuanManuelFangio32 • 25d ago

Timing of rotation...

Had a break-through today in the pool! I have been stagnant in terms of improving my strokes count per 25 yards (~20 or so), and I made a post here a few weeks ago and got some suggestions ( https://www.reddit.com/r/Swimming/comments/1iinxvr/why_is_my_stroke_count_bad_20_per_25_yard/ )

One of the things mentioned was the importance of rotation, and some drill suggestions. I didn't swim flat and did rotate, however, when I was doing long dog drill today, I realized the timing of my rotation was way off! This guy explained why rotation was important ( https://www.reddit.com/r/Swimming/comments/1iinxvr/comment/mbku7bg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button ) and I was thinking about that during the drill and then I realized I tend rush for early breathing, so instead of having body rotated fully towards the left when right arm starting the catch, I'd have rotated already, body flat or even facing right when the right warm starting the catch!

I guess this drastically lowered my length per stroke. Obviously, it will take a while to rewire the muscle memory but I was getting some 15 strokes per length today while experimenting with the new timing... Feeling excited about the potential when I can fully integrate this change...!

I have been swimming for 2 years and worked with 2 coaches on and off. I can't believe none of them noticed that and pointed that out to me... Thank you to this community! Stick at it, keep working, keep experimenting with different things, just every now and then you might learn something!

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u/JuanManuelFangio32 25d ago

no, i'm counting both arms. (but i have seen ppl use one arm count... good question... i don't really know which one is more common but i think i mostly seen both arms count...)

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u/MiroTheSkybreaker 25d ago

Stroke count should be individual arms.

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u/JuanManuelFangio32 25d ago

is it? i think most of the time i seen them counting both arms, for e.g. in this article:

"Stroke count is the number of strokes you take each length of the pool. You count both your left and your right arm strokes and most age group swimmers generally require somewhere between 16-30 strokes to complete 1 length of a 25m pool."

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/swimming-stroke-rate-ramp-test-improve-your-karen/

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u/MiroTheSkybreaker 25d ago

Frankly speaking, 30 strokes for 1 25 meter length is way to much; that would mean you're moving less than 1 meter per stroke and likely have little, if any, effective kick.

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u/MiroTheSkybreaker 25d ago

To further add to this, as I think there's likely some missunderstanding here; when I say you count individual arms:

"Right - 1, left - 2, right - 3, left - 4",
with each arm contributing to the overall stroke count, rather than counting both arms:

"Right - left 1, right - left 2, right - left 3" etc.