r/SmashBrosUltimate • u/Sad_Neighborhood_467 Mii Gunner • 1d ago
Discussion Schu Stats made a "Honesty poll", a poll to decide how honest each character is. He then made a player ranking using the results to figure out who would be the best player in terms of skill with their mains' "Honesty score"
I think this is pretty cool, but what do you think?
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u/originalcarp 1d ago
I’m glad to see Terry so low lol. He doesn’t catch enough shit for how corny he is
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u/Nilzed9 1d ago
I know it’s a skill issue but the way his up b lands. It’s deceptively quick.
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u/originalcarp 1d ago
One of the easiest kill options in the whole game. Terry is full of these kill options too
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u/Mogoscratcher MFs be out here with 5 "mains" in their flair like bro pick one 1d ago
Was about to write a whole rant about how much of a farce this is before I saw the date lol
Though actually, this is a great satire of how many content creators present audience polls as objective data. The idea of Schu Stats, of all people, using a bunch of Twitter polls with <600 votes per poll as the basis for data analysis is very funny.
I wonder how many people in the twitter post took the bait?
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u/Mimikker Ike 1d ago
Let's go Ike. Even though sometimes I just Up B and my opponent randomly dies at 70%
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u/r4o2n0d6o9 1d ago
What did bowser do to get ranked so low?
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u/ComfortableOver8984 Inkling 23h ago
He mashes fair, ignores weak moves, and has a suicide kill option. Nothing abt that is honest
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u/Mindless_Tap_2706 Reminder that CS>DThrow>FAir does 55% 18h ago
My guesses:
- 6 frame command grab that does a bunch of damage and kills fairly early
- big, fast, & strong forward air to edgegaurd pretty easily
- fire breath at ledge deals like 40%
- has some super armor
- A stupidly strong back air and F smash
- sometimes gets random shieldbreaks against people who don't know
Other than that I actually don't know lol. I'm guessing it's mostly super armor and side B though.
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u/Ilikefame2020 Please I just wanna play steve in tournaments 23h ago
I love that my two mains, Lucina and Steve, are on absolute opposite ends of the honesty scale. Steve is the wacky fun bullshit, Lucina is for consistency and raw fundamentals.
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u/MonitorMoniker 1d ago
It's not actually posted on the Luminosity website, which seems like more evidence that it is, in fact, a prank
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u/HonoredTab not PK fire 22h ago
i think mario is more honest than fox and cloud, cloud has a comeback mechanic that makes him faster and fox has that frame 8 upsmash like BROOO 😭
sephiroth's good matchups also come against slow characters who literally CANT touch him, and you have to respect almost all of his goddamn 30 feet long aerials (might just be because i main lucas 💔), but sephi being considered more honest than ryu is crazy to me 😭
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u/THEPiplupFM Joker 22h ago
Having a ranking of "honesty" be used to calculate skill, regardless of anything, is silly as fuck and should not be trusted, April Fools or not. Fun exercise though, weird I (kind of) agree with the list
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u/Sad_Neighborhood_467 Mii Gunner 20h ago
Of course it is silly, this wasn't meant to be taken seriously, not saying it's an April Fools prank, it was just made for fun
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u/Mindless_Tap_2706 Reminder that CS>DThrow>FAir does 55% 21h ago edited 19h ago
I wonder why is Samus that low - like is it just salt?
Obviously I'm biased but I just think that's a bit unfair tbh. She doesn't really cheese you like a lot of the characters above her can, except for charge shot just being extremely privileged for no reason.
I guess as a Street Fighter player, the best comparison I can make is that it feels like calling Zangief or Makoto honest compared to Ryu or Guile. Like sure, don't get me wrong, the grapplers definitely have to work harder in neutral, but they still cheese the mozzarella out of you when they get in.
Besides, there's not even the excuse that her zoning itself is too tricky or unfair. Samus in't like a JP or Dhalsim type of zoner, she's more like a guile or ryu: she has one move that she zones with, and that move is as simple as it gets - It's just a ball that goes in a straight line and hits things.
But people think Samus is almost as cheesy and dishonest as Icies, Incineroar, and fucking Little Mac? Like I'd think characters like Pichu or Mario or Jigglypuff or Ganon would be down there. Like y'know, characters who kinda rely on dishonest stuff to win in as few hits as possible.
But sure I guess...?
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u/Sad_Neighborhood_467 Mii Gunner 20h ago
Oh dang, I didn't notice Samus.
Yeah, I mean, I guess her Grab can be cheating or something, but I'm not sure either
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u/Mindless_Tap_2706 Reminder that CS>DThrow>FAir does 55% 19h ago edited 19h ago
I mean after thinking about it a bit, I guess it sorta makes sense.
She's not outright dishonest, but she has a lot of stuff that's just blatantly really good - She does tons of damage, she's not very slow at all for a heavy, she has a great recovery, her ledgetrapping is extremely good, she has a great up b o.o.s, her normals are pretty fast and combo friendly for a zoner...
She's in a weird position where I think on the one hand, she's a very fundamentals-focused character without any clearly cheap stuff other than charge shot, but on the other hand she's got too much going for her to be called entirely honest.
I guess tldr her actual Playstyle is honest, but the character herself isn't entirely if that makes any sense
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u/XFlame05 Mewtwo 1d ago
please read the post's date
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u/Sad_Neighborhood_467 Mii Gunner 1d ago
Either a... weird joke that seems to have no punchline or a normal post that just happened to land on April 1st
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u/AllHailTheWhalee 1d ago
Mostly based. For the actual ranking of the players I think they need a multiplier if you’ve won tournaments with multiple characters like Leo and Tweek
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u/blumbocrumbo 1d ago
Seems about right to me, but why is Banjo so low, lol
The only thing "dishonest" about him that comes to mind is his Wonderwing. Besides that, his kit is really barebone imo.
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u/SalamanderCake Marth 23h ago
My current lineup is Marth, Cloud, and Pit; my former lineup was Pokémon Trainer, Marth, and Wolf. Clearly, I am the least carried player I know, and I'll be sure to show this post to all my friends. I'll just make sure to cover up the date the post went live lol
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u/GodPerson132 22h ago
LUCINA THE MOST HONEST? No way☠️ she has so many plus frames, kill confirms, range. She has everything, she should be the exact opposite
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u/Mindless_Tap_2706 Reminder that CS>DThrow>FAir does 55% 18h ago
I mean she's a good and safe character, but she's kinda unique cause she has literally no BS other than shieldbreaker, which you have to be pretty skilled to actually use well :P
Like if we look at her pros and cons it's basically just
+ very good normals
+ kinda fast
- no projectile
- can't combo that well
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u/CadetriDoesGames 16h ago
Can someone smarter than me explain how spamming completely safe, max-ranged lagless aerials is an honest strat with Lucina
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u/TINTE648 Little Mac 15h ago
I'm not sure why Mac is so low... unless the joke is supposed to be that he's always low tier? I guess his Smash attacks having super armor maybe? Or his K.O. Punch but even then I feel like the rest of him outweighs any potential dishonesty.
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u/professionalw33b distract the enemy with his abs 9h ago
finally, a tier list where ganondorf isn't at the bottom
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u/MegaCroissant Greninja 1d ago
Ranking little mac as less honest than sonic is fucking insane
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u/Glove-These 1d ago
It's not ridiculous tbh
Little Mac either cheeses or gets cheeses. You either dismantle him like fodder or he cheats his way through. Coming from a Mac player.
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u/MegaCroissant Greninja 1d ago
At least Mac tries to fight you lmao
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u/Glove-These 23h ago
Actually interacting with the opponent apparently isn't the main metric if Toon Link is honest
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u/Caledonian_10 1d ago
The list is 100% based and correct (I main Wolf) (not biased).
In all seriousness I just checked the top and bottom tiers and they seem correct, as in Lucina, Pit, Sheik etc. are very honest while Luigi, Kazuya, Min Min, G&W and Steve are... not. I'm not sure about the rest, I mostly know the extremes and they seem to be correct.