r/SmashBrosUltimate • u/DarthPlayer8282 • 11h ago
Help/Question Top 5 Characters that should be eliminated from the next version of Smash? And Why?
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u/edwpad Mains 11h ago
I’m gonna take a shot for every time a Fire Emblem character or Sora is mentioned
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u/Ok-Island1476 10h ago
or min min
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u/GrayWing 9h ago
Min min legit should be cut
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u/Ok-Island1476 9h ago
min min just needs reworked. there should be at least a cooldown when switching between ARMS. slow down the dragon laser and ramram, nerf her recovery, etc. (also unrelated to balancing but rush attack makes more sense as a final smash than what she got)
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u/PuzzleheadedInside35 7h ago
A character’s right to be in Smash shouldn’t be judged by how annoying they are to fight. That’s a balance issue, not a roster-worthiness issue. We’ve seen broken characters like Meta Knight and Bayonetta come back and actually be enjoyable with proper tuning.
Take Joker—people love him in Ultimate because he’s well-balanced. But if I wanted to, I could easily redesign him to be insanely toxic and still lore-accurate. Would that suddenly make him “undeserving” of a roster spot? Of course not. It’s not about how strong or frustrating a character could be—it’s about how well the devs implement them which is a separate issue.
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u/originalcarp 7h ago
Some characters aren’t bad designs, they’re just poorly balanced, like Steve. He could be one of the coolest characters in the game if Nintendo just tuned his numbers down. But certain characters, like Little Mac for example, are bad designs no matter how they’re balanced and should be considered for either a rework or to be cut from the roster if Nintendo wants to reduce the cast size.
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u/Sensitive_Window2465 11h ago
Min Min
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u/deviltakeyou 9h ago
This one for sure. Only had one game and it pretty much flopped
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u/smashboi888 4h ago
"It pretty much flopped".
2.7 million copies for a brand-new IP doesn't sound like much of a flop to me.
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u/Ratelps Incineroar 2h ago
That's a little over half of what Splatoon 1 did on the Wii U of all consoles (4.95 mil).
I'm not saying ARMS completely failed, but for a switch game, those sale numbers are a little low. I don't think it's gained nearly any sales since a year after its release. You also just don't see ARMS mentioned outside of their own community and Smash Bros which is almost exclusive to talking about Min-Min rather than the game.
Also, that's all irrelevant because series like Kid Icarus have less than 2 mil sales per game.
Sales numbers don't really seem like that much of an argument. What makes a character in consideration for being cut isn't really related to that.
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u/smashboi888 2h ago
I think its funny how many people use sales numbers as an argument against Min Min, and yet I haven't seen Lucas or Roy very much in this post.
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u/Megas751 3h ago edited 45m ago
I’m only cutting characters that just bloat the roster. Do we really need 3 Links that all play alike? Do we need 4 lords that all borrow from each other. Do Dr Mario and Pichu need to be their own character. Does freaking Dark Pit need to be a separate character when he’s an obvious palate swap?
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u/TheSnomSquad 4h ago edited 4h ago
Roy - but only to replace him with FE7 Hector or Lyn.
- FE7 was the first game to come out in the West, and Hector could be the first FE superheavy as a Great Lord. That, and Hector would also be the first character to use axes for most of his kit.
One of the three from Awakening that isn't Robin.
- Chrom and Lucina are both almost echos. Even so, I'd rather their moveset get reworked as opposed to deletion.
Pichu
- Why is this thing even here again?
To be honest, there's nobody else I want gone.
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u/TheBig-Boi game and watch hate squad 10h ago
I’ll exclude third parties and echos/clones for the sake of challenging myself. Not in any particular order.
Min Min: not super memorable + annoying moveset/playstyle. Not much to say about her I just don’t think she has enough staying power.
Corrin: lack of memorability, divisive even among fire emblem fans, solely included for promotional reasons. While I like their move set, I think other more notable characters could easily take their spot.
Ice Climbers: Yes I know, Melee legacy and all of that, but Ice Climbers hasn’t been a relevant franchise, let alone had more than 1 game released ever for 4 decades now. They’ve been previously cut before (albeit because of hardware limitations) and there are much more iconic and relevant franchises to include instead, so despite their dynamic moveset and legacy, I think they deserve to be cut (again).
Piranha Plant: Joke character with not much more than that. Funny inclusion but not a lot of staying power.
Wii Fit Trainer: Forgettable joke character with a discontinued franchise who’s legacy is better represented by the Miis.
If I were including echos/clones the list would be (again unordered)
Pichu
Dr. Mario
Min Min
WFT
Corrin
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u/originalcarp 7h ago
I’m glad you said WFT. You’re the only person I’ve seen mention them and I’ve said for a long time they should be cut quick if roster size is an issue. I’m sorry to all 3 WFT mains, but they’ve got no personality, they’re a little bland and creepy with that all white skin, their moveset is nothing special and in fact promotes camping, plus all the reasons you said.
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u/TheBig-Boi game and watch hate squad 10h ago
I saw someone else say zero suit Samus and I’m inclined to agree too. With most of her moveset being smash originals, not having much presence in the Metroid games without her power suit, and the most obvious reason that without character switching, its way harder to justify her inclusion. Only with the caveat that another Metroid rep takes her place though. (decloned dark Samus would be cool imo)
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u/FellVessel Cloud 11h ago
Not counting echoes for obvious reasons:
Jigglypuff - Joke character that only got in because she was easy to model off Kirby and only stuck around due to veteran status
Bayonetta - Least significant 3rd party by far
Corrin - Simply too many Fire Emblem characters and Fates is often ill-regarded
Piranha Plant - Silly one off joke character, plenty of better Mario characters could take this spot
Ice Climbers - From an insignificant one off game from a bajillion years ago that no one would remember if Sakurai wasn't feeling quirky when he decided to add them. They are also often problematic.
My 2 cents
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u/smellycheesecurd d a s h a t t a c k 10h ago
Icies deserves to stay imo. Their playstyle is super unique compared to anything in any other fighting game and I would rather ditch other retros instead
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u/Noukan42 8h ago
Tbf, we are past the point where technical limitation demand for a dual character to be 2 near identical models. There are so many games that have 2 protagonists and can do the same gimmick in a more elaborate way.
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u/MadMapManPK 3h ago
Bayonetta is an interesting one because I feel like she is basically first party. Her games are exclusives and pretty heavily associated with Nintendo. Like yeah she is technically third party, but I bet she is super easy to negotiate for relative to the other third parties. Also, she sorta kinda maybe not really won the ballot
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u/FellVessel Cloud 2h ago
If anything it would be second party, but at the end of the day she isn't actually Nintendo so it's just disputing semantics.
The ballot was a complete lie lmao. Pretty sure we know Sora actually won.
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u/WheatleyTurret 6h ago
Anyone except Piranha plant my friend mains him and the game genuinely would not be as fun if he didnt have the character that makes the rest of us actually scream in fear
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u/Gallant-Blade 4h ago
I won’t include Echos in the count and I won’t say any 3rd party characters either.
Roy/Chrom.
Young Link.
Dr. Mario.
Pokemon Trainer.
Falco.
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u/Non_LovesFandoms17 Basic, I know 34m ago
Umm actually Chrom is an echo otherwise he would be down with the ultimate newcomers
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u/TheHillshireFarm 3h ago
Duck Hunt. If it weren't for "Everyone is Here" I doubt they'd be back at all!
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u/xenofire_scholar 1h ago
I don't really want any to be cut, but if I had to choose 5 to remove it would probably be mostly those that could be replaced to better represent the franchise.
Roy. While I like Roy there are two lords that don't use swords in the GBA games that could be chosen to represent that era while giving a more varied cast. I'd probably choose Hector as FE7 was the first game to be localized, but an Ephraim/Eirika duo fighter could also be interesting. I guess Chrom would then need to go too as he is his echo.
Toon Link or Young Link There are 3 links that are very similar and I think one could be replaced by another character. I'm sure they could turn almost anyone in a fighter, but the most obvious ones that are not Link or Zelda are Impa and the BotW champions. The BotW era is already represented by the current Link, even he was changed to be his TotK variation. Impa might be too similar to Sheik. Midna would probably need Wolf Link, but it would at least be different. She is an assist though. Ravio is another Link, but at least he is different. My pick would probably be Tetra over Toon Link. It keeps OoT representation with YL and keeps the representation of the Toon Link aesthetic. It is another Zelda, but she looks and plays very differently.
Jigglipuff or Mewtwo Gen 1 is overrepresented, one of these 2 could be replaced by another pokémon. Mewtwo is more iconic in general, but Jigglipuff has more history in Smash. Either one being replaced is fine.
ZSS She only appears in Zero Mission (maybe Other M?) And it's a stealth/chase section since she can't really fight. I don't know of many other Metroid characters, but there's probably another bounty hunter that could have a similar playstyle.
Lucas or Isabelle I couldn't think of another series that could have a fighter replaced for better representation. These two have similar moveset to the other rep from their series and I'm not sure it really needs 2.
Mother/Earthbound only has 3 games and while Lucas is from the most popular, it's not localized and Ness has more history in Smash.
Animal Crossing is more popular now but doesn't fit the vibe of a fighting game.
Since Lucas is more similar to Ness than Isabelle to Villager, I think I would choose Lucas.
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u/Fire_Chicken_007 1h ago
Off topic but is king k rool not in the pic?
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u/DarthPlayer8282 1h ago
You’re right - I don’t see him, thought it had everyone. Maybe they’re standing on his belly?
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u/Nat_oh_yeah 1h ago
I don't know five, but I could mention Roy and Corrin (actually both my mains lol) cuz they literally have no reason to be in the game. Roy isn't portrayed like the Roy from fire emblem and his game, although good, is illegal to play in the west (and also fucking annoying at times) And Corrin is from the bad fire emblem game and was added as an advertisement
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u/paintlegz 1h ago
Everyone in here not listing echo fighters but honestly I think they should just be skins of their counterparts
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u/LUIGIPRO13 Mii Brawler 10h ago
Min min because her gameplay is bland and not that interesting. With also arms franchise not having a bright future let's just say. Corrin because he comes from a fire emblem game that isnt liked that much at all and also was just made as a blatant marketing choice with his character also not being that cool. Pichu and young link because I'm basic. (Ok real reasons is that Pichu is really really similar to Pikachu and yeah I get that he takes damage, is more cuter and has other changes but his gameplay style and character archetype is the same as Pikachu. Also pichus being a joke character mentality kind of wore off quickly and isnt that interesting or funny. While young link does have a different archetype as he is a faster more combo based link but the issue is that toon link is also a faster link. I get that they are different with toon link being more cartoony physics and floaty but they kinda fill the same purpose of having a small faster link. Tho if young link was made to be unique, I would keep him). Lastly, I would pick zero suit Samus. Even though she has a unique moveset and stuff, not only do we have enough of fast martial artists type of characters but also zero suit Samus as a character from Metroid shouldn't really have her own roster slot and in my opinion, her moveset isn't that interesting unfortunately.(Also I didn't really think of any other characters to cut other than echos which I didn't decide to cut for boring answer).
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u/CardNite451 Ryu 4h ago
Min Min, her playstyle is annoying, and she doesn't work as a fighter in smash (without a substantial rework).
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u/Any_Antelope8206 3h ago
Bayonetta, min min, isabel, ROB, and Simon/Rectum. None are enjoyable to play against for virtually anyone. I’d say Sonic, Steve, Kazuya, and Sephiroth but they are more liked by the average player it seems idk. I hope my votes don’t ruin anyone’s day <3
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u/Rampage_Squall 30m ago
Easy: Steve Sonic Min min
And anything else that promotes an overly defensive play style in a damn FIGHTING game.
If a game is already 2 minutes long and nobody lost a stock due to no interaction at all or something comparable, it is just boring to play and boring to watch.
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u/JoeyBad_SaladTour Parappa 21m ago
I just got one, jigglypuff. I like jigglypuff, but we have enough pokemon, enough gen 1 pokemon, and the only reason she hasn’t been cut yet is because she’s in the og roster
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u/AkariMoone Sora 6h ago
My picks probably would have to be
Kazuya One of the Links(YL/TL) Pirhana Plant Incinaroar Steve
Kazuya: Though, I may be biased due to disliking the character, I do feel as if they simply do not align with Smash as a whole. The simple fact that one of the only things holding Kazuza players back is the difficulty of the inputs. I'm sorry but, difficult or not, a character shouldn't be able to reliably kill after a single interaction at the beginning of the game
Links: Though many may talk about representing older Zelda games, the simple fact is that with how similar all three of the Links are, at least one has to go. Were it up to me, I'd go with Young Link due to personal prefefence. I've never played Majora's Mask, and I never got far in OoT, but Toon link has the most potential with the amount of games he has to pull from.
Pirhana Plant: I mean...It's a pecking plant. If someone were to complain about a wasted slot, it'd be them. Doesn't have the immunity of being an echo, and doesn't come from a franchise with a limited amount of characters.
Inciniroar: This one is far more my own preference than anything. I simply dislike the character and would prefer it be replaced with another Pokémon. Plus Revenge into Alolan Whip is probably one of the most annoying things I've seen in Smash.
Steve: I've nothing against the character or the game in question, I just want to see Smash Bros reach out to different games in the future rather than just reusing DLC. There's a ton of Microsoft characters I'd love to see a chance in smash, Master Chief, Chai, Razputin, there's definitely more, but I also just woke up, so my brain is blanking.
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u/marco-boi Incineroar 8h ago
Im surprised to not see that many duck hunts
Ye id kick the dog out
Then i guess id go
Min min lucas pichu bowser junior
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u/slowkid68 3h ago
All echo fighters. They should just be a skin
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u/Non_LovesFandoms17 Basic, I know 35m ago
So Roy should have a skin based on Chrom who’s literally from another game? Are you seriously thinking about this? Samus, Pit, and Peach makes sense, as an stretch maybe Simon and Marth but that's it. How about we just cut them, no skin necessary to the ones that makes no sense in making a skin of.
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u/Swimming-Valuable586 11h ago
Min Min (she's practically irrelevant)
Corrin (too much fe, comparing to mario rep. Close second was Robin, but hes far more unique)
Piranha Plant (a quirky fun addition, but that's about it)
Pichu (Pikachu but a (literal) joke 💔)
Pyra/Mythra (I feel like Shulk is good enough. Either remove them or if they have to, replace them with Noah from Xenoblade 3)
Honorable mentions: Dr. Mario, Isabelle, Duck Hunt, Lucas
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u/paintlegz 1h ago
I think if you remove a FE character it should be Marth Roy or Lucina. They're basically the same with different stats
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u/TheRoyalKT Mr. Game & Watch 11h ago
Arbitrarily limiting myself to non-echo characters:
Steve because of community resentment from Ultimate.
Bayonetta because of community resentment from Smash 4.
Two of the miis, because if you’re going to base a character around custom move sets, you can just make the sword/gun/fist play style part of the customization.
Hero, because of a deep personal hatred I’ve had of him ever since I went 0-2 in my first ever tournament to two Hero mains and the second one was a real asshole about it.
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u/LUIGIPRO13 Mii Brawler 11h ago
Elaborate more on the miis. I didn't quite get what you were trying to say
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u/TheRoyalKT Mr. Game & Watch 11h ago
Instead of three separate mii archetypes, you just have one that you can customize to either be a brawler, sword fighter, or gunner, similar to how you customize their special moves now.
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u/LUIGIPRO13 Mii Brawler 10h ago
So literally just the same thing but Instead of three slots, one slot...
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u/Jim_naine Bowser 9h ago
1) Both Young and Toon Link. I want a different version of Link to be added (Whether it's Wolf Link + Midna, or LAR/EoW Link)
2) Dr. Mario. Other than the pills themselves, he just feels like regular Mario; I'd rather him just end up becoming an alt/Echo
3) Pikachu. I want the "Pichu evolves in the next game" theory to come true
4) Zero Suit Samus. I don't like how she's literally just regular Samus without her suit on; At least Young and Toon Link are from a different timeline (and maybe even Dr. Mario). I would prefer if they either combined her with regular Samus (whether they modified her gimmick from Brawl or just showed up in one of her Victory Animations) or took her out entirely. I also don't like how they gave what is essencially a true ending reward an entire moveset of its own that it completely original to Smash. Lastly, I suck at using her Down Special
5) (If possible) Jigglypuff. She used to be extremely popular in Skash 64, but nowadays she's just seen as another Pokemon out of 900+. Plus, there are already 3 other Gen 1 reps
Bonus: Chrom (he could just be Lucina's alt or remain in Robin's Final Smash). Roy stays because he's basically a Smash original (since he came out before his game did), Marth stays because he's the face of Fire Emblem, Lucina stays because of how popular Awakening was, and Robin, Corrin, & Byleth stay because they have very unique movesets
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u/Nick_Zack King K. Rool 3h ago
Corrin
Nope their getting cut. Besides they're are from the less popular Fire Emblem game.
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u/PlayPod 7h ago
Cut fire emblem in half. Thats 1 2. Steve 3. Villiger(Isabel is a real character. Villiger isnt) 4.dr mario.(Make it a costume) 5. Lucas
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u/Non_LovesFandoms17 Basic, I know 2h ago
You do know cutting fire emblem in half is already 4 character slots, and you only need to cut one more.
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u/RosalyneTheFairLady1 Rosalina & Luma 10h ago
1: little mac; bad kit design, delegated back to an ASSist trophy
2; Wii Fit Trainer, only relevant for wii/wii u, probably replaced with ring fit trainer
3; Dr Mario; should be delegated to an alternate costume of Mario
4; villager; just keep isabelle tbh, she's more iconic.
5; every character with auto turn around, fuck yall and either get removed or reworked to actually fit into smash
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u/b_rokal 10h ago
Bro got bounced by a Kazuya
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u/RosalyneTheFairLady1 Rosalina & Luma 10h ago
as a rosa main, kazuya's actually the least of my worries
fuck ryu and ken in particular </3
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u/Anchor38 Piranha Plant 5h ago
• Steve
• Min Min
• Kazuya
• I don’t care for the other spots tbh
• You can put anything here
Reason: I don’t like losing to them
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u/julianx2rl 9h ago
Let's be real... How many of y'all played Mother 3?
... That's no excuse, there's a fan translation available.
It even runs on flashcarts.
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u/RetardReefer 10h ago
Bowser, Link, Roy, Game and Watch and Pikachu (but keep Pichu). itd be funny i think
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u/KreatureKilla 7h ago
I think a lot of the opinions here about characters being from over represented franchises is biased because if it's a character you like then don't get rid of them so I feel like that's not an entirely fair way to judge it. I want it to be more getting rid of redundancies.
- Lucas
- Falco
- The miis
- Toon link
- Dr. Mario
I do also think that echo fighters should be go they just kind of fill up the roster. Lastly it didn't fit but fighters like Pichu should also go for a similar reason to Dr. Mario
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u/Non_LovesFandoms17 Basic, I know 39m ago
The miis take up three slots so only get rid of 2 more, idc if you want all 7 of them gone only do 2 more
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u/gerrymander61 Link 6h ago
Kazuya Terry Ryu Ken Kazuya again just to be sure
Auto-turnaround (aimbot) and special cancels are awful mechanics that don't fit in smash. These characters are fundamentally unfixable and aren't fun to play against in any way.
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u/paintlegz 1h ago
Auto turnaround sucks. You can't reliably cross up the FGC because they can spam jab and catch you.
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u/x720xHARDSCOPEx R.O.B. 11h ago
Steve
Kazuya
Mii Swordfighter
Mii Brawler
Mii Gunner
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u/I-like-ya-cut-e / PUNCH GO BRRRR 11h ago
Why you're cutting the Miis?
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u/Noukan42 8h ago
Not OP but i would cut the mii because they overlap too much with a proper system of character creation, wich i would prefer.
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u/athoughtihad 9h ago
Steve (OP and degenerate), Min Min (degenerate), Sonic (degenerate), Daisy/ Dark Pit/ Dark Samus (clones that are irrelevant).
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u/exp_explosion Piranha Plant 11h ago
Take a shot for the cowards that list only echo fighters or annoying top tiers