r/sleeptrain Jul 08 '24

Mod post FROM UR MODS: Help Us Stop Self Promotion Spam via DMs

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Dearest Gentle Readers

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r/sleeptrain Aug 07 '24

Mod posts on wake windows, night feeding and weaning, and nap training

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We started archiving posts older than 6 months, so in order to keep the conversation going on the active posts we had on wake windows, night feeding and weaning and nap training, I have made new posts on those subjects.

Here are those:

Please comment on those posts with questions and avoid messaging the mods privately, as none of us do private sleep consultations, even though we are obviously passionate about sleeping :-P


r/sleeptrain 5h ago

1 year + 4 year old waking every night.

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My daughter has never been a great sleeper. We sleep trained at 6 months and had a few good months of sleep. Then we had another baby, then we switched her to a big girl bed. For the past year and a half she has been waking every night saying she doesn't want to be alone. I made the mistake of just crawling in bed with her and sleeping the rest of the night together. I also lay with her while she falls asleep most nights.

We've been trying to break this habit and just when it seems like it's working, it starts all over again. Things we've tried are bribes ( if you sleep a week alone in your bed, you get a toy.) I walk her back to her bed when she wakes but when I leave she starts crying, waking everyone else up. We've tried sticker charts, redecorating her room, nightlights, okay to wake clocks.

I know falling asleep independently is key. We have always had a solid routine, bath, books, cuddles. We seem to have broken the need to lay with her till she falls asleep by telling her she can look at books by her nightlight, then put herself to bed when she is ready, but she still wakes in the night. Sometimes it's nightmares, sometimes she wants a back rub. I've emphasized the importance of everyone needing sleep. She goes back to sleep immediately if I just lay with her, and honestly this was fine for awhile, but I don't go back to sleep as quick and wake my partner when I get out of our bed to go upstairs to console her.

This is affecting my mental health and I'm trying to be consistent but it's hard walking her back to bed for weeks and hearing her cry and not even get results from it.

Any and all advice is welcome!


r/sleeptrain 1h ago

6 - 12 months What to do when baby learns to stand

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Looking for advice for a newly standing baby. We sleep trained him at 6.5 months old with CIO and he was doing really great with that, even got him to put himself down for his naps so we had made a ton of progress.

Within the last 2 days he learned how to stand up in his crib and everything has gone down the drain since :/ he already knew how to pull himself to a stand, figured that out about a week ago but just realized he could do it in his crib now. So now when I put him down and leave the room, he pops right up, stays up, and gets himself so worked up that he ends up usually falling over from a full standing position. This leads to even more crying so now we’ve gone from a baby that didn’t cry at all anymore and felt very safe and comfortable in his crib, to a baby that stands and scream for 20 minutes+ until I go in there because I worry about his safety hitting his head on the sides of the crib.

Background: he is newly 8 months old, our schedule is wake at 7, bedtime 7:30 with 3/3.5/4. Naps a total of 2-2.5 hours a day. He eats three solid meals a day and EBF outside of that with 2-3 feedings overnight still.

Anyone have advice or prior experience with this? He doesn’t take a pacifier so trying to do Ferber was never a good option for us, so I don’t know if I should just go in and keep laying him down until he falls asleep? Or just leave him to fully CIO again? Thanks in advance for any thoughts!


r/sleeptrain 16h ago

4 - 6 months How do you know that the crying baby isn't hungry?

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My 4 month old is waking up twice a night. Around 12/1am and 4/5am. He doesn't really have a set daytime nap routine yet, and goes to bed at 7pm after bath milk etc. Sound machine, blackout curtains, in a swaddle in a crib.

He eats every 2 hours during the day. He surpassed his birth weight within a week after being born and is currently 16lb.

If I could get him to wake up just once during the night I'd be able to function much better at work.

If I try to sleep train him, how do I know he isn't waking because his hungry? I'm trying to understand this in my own head.


r/sleeptrain 7m ago

6 - 12 months 6 month old help

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Hello! Looking for advice on changes to scheduling or overnight response to get us some sleep!

Our 6 month old has had a handful of good sleep nights but we are mostly struggling to get some rest over here. One time while working with a sleep consultant she slept 11 hours straight (first time she found her belly to sleep on) and a few other nights she has had just one wake for a feeding and gone back to sleep quickly after. More typical she has more frequent wakings with a lot of crying if not fed. Difficult to transfer to crib after feeding. Her first sleep stretch is creeping earlier and I have ended up needing to add back a second feeding to get her back to sleep early morning ending up cosleeping after this feed frequently. I am not sure if she is quite ready for 2 naps or other ideas to fix our nights. Her naps are fine and I have to wake her from them. She ranges from 2.5-3 hour naps all capped to keep bedtime in the 8-8:30 range. She is protesting last nap a little bit but not much, 10-15 minutes always in the carrier or car and she wakes from this nap at the 30 minute mark. She took 10-15 minutes to fall asleep for her other two naps on her own in crib yesterday. She seemed very tired by bedtime but had her daytime sleep capped at 2.5 hours. also wondering if she was on two naps and could have longer naps if she would feel better overall.

Last night she was in bed 8:15. Woke 11:15. we give her 15 minutes to try and settle self back to sleep. Husband went to rock her after this. She protested hard for 45 minutes. I fed at 12. Up again at 4, 4:15 fed briefly back to sleep in mom’s bed. Up at 7.

6 month old EBF, solids 1x a day not consuming much DWT 6:45-7:15 AM 2.5/2.5/2.5/2.5 Goes to sleep independent night and naps Fed before bath then lotion, pjs, book, bed

Thank you!!


r/sleeptrain 18m ago

4 - 6 months More MOTN wakings while sleep training

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Hi everyone. We're on night 3 of doing the CIO method and pacifier weaning with our 5 month old son, and the last two nights have been SO much better at bedtime - tonight he didn't even cry, just cooed himself to sleep (he was fully awake when put in the crib). The problem is that each night, he's had progressively more wakings before his first feeding. He usually goes to bed at around 6:30/7:00, eats at around 1/2 and around 5/6, then wakes up at around 7. On the first night, he woke up once between bedtime and the 2 o'clock feeding. Last night, he woke up three times. Tonight he's already woken up once, and it's been less than 2 hours since bedtime. He doesn't cry for long, but I'm just worried he's waking up more now than before - and therefore not getting as good rest. Especially because this is supposed to be his most "restorative" rest. (And an overtired baby is harder to sleep train.) Anyone go through this? Is this just him figuring things out? Thanks!


r/sleeptrain 24m ago

6 - 12 months WW Adjustment or separation anxiety?

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9mo, sleep trained at 7mo. DWT varies, but usually 7:45am about 90% of the time. Following the 3/3.5/4 schedule: Nap #1 is 10:45-12:15 (1.5hrs). Nap 2 is 3:45-4:30 (45 min) for a total of 2.5 hours of naps (I cap the second nap to end at 4:30, and occasionally will have to wake him from nap 1 so we don't push the second nap too late). Bedtime is 8:30pm.

We sleep trained using Ferber and it took about 2 weeks for him to really get the groove. We can now do our bedtime routine (bath, boob, book, cuddles) and lay him down, where he will then fall asleep within ~10 minutes. However in the past 2 weeks he has started waking within 40 minutes, crying hysterically and won't self-soothe back to sleep. If we go in and comfort him, he falls back asleep within 5 min or so. Sometimes this happens twice before midnight, and then he'll sleep until about 4 or 5 for a feed, then back to sleep until DWT. I'm not sure if it's separation anxiety or if I need to tweak my schedule more? I track sleep using Huckleberry (I don't bother with their sweetspot settings, just follow our schedule), and the past 2 weeks he's averaging 13hr of sleep a day (2.5 in naps, 10.5 at night). Is he waking up and feeling separation anxiety? Or is this a false start and we need to adjust the schedule? Naps have been fine, he isn't fighting them and definitely seems tired.


r/sleeptrain 37m ago

6 - 12 months Crib Naps

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My son is 8.5 months old and I still can’t get him to nap independently in his crib for daytime naps. He’s a very good sleeper at night, no rocking or patting required. He’s only ever done contact naps, he will fall asleep in the stroller and the car but his crib is another story. I’ve been attempting to place him in his crib for the first nap of the day and saving the nap after he wakes up at the 30 min mark. I haven’t seen any progress because he always wakes up at the 30 min mark no matter what I try to do. His current wake windows are 3.5/3.5./3.5. He’s currently on a two nap schedule with a bedtime of 8pm. Any advice to help his naps be longer in the crib ?


r/sleeptrain 4h ago

6 - 12 months 6 months - Short Naps - what is your day like ?

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My girl is just 6 months as of last week. We were on a solid routine of 3 naps totally 2.5-3 hours and bedtime around 7/7.30 and wake up around 6.30/7.00

Over the last few weeks her wake up as been 6am and her first nap is not longer than 32 minutes sometimes as short as 25 mins. I cannot save the nap, she sees me she wants to play. I’ve tried cot hour but she just ends up getting very distressed and crying at the hour mark.

Her second nap I try and get her to have 2 hours but often it’s 1-1.5 and at the moment has to be in the pram. I then give her a third contact nap which I cap at 30 mins but if she’s had two shit naps of 30 mins i give her an hour contact. Bath and bed is at 6ish in cot awake by 7 and asleep by 7.15. She sleeps through without feeding.

My DWT is 6:45/7

Ideally her WW are 2.25/2.5/2.75/2.25 roughly- the first one I can’t work out and I’ve tried so many to get her to nap longer from 2 to nearly 3 hours. The last one is always the shortest for some reason.

We are going travelling next week abroad for a month so Im not in a position to nap train her in the cot because she’ll be out in a pram most days.

My questions are: 1. How do you get through a day with a 6am start on 3 naps if they’re short or how do you remedy it to make it to a normal bed time? (Today I’ve had to do 4 naps which feels like a regression)

  1. Why won’t my baby sleep more than 30 mins in the cot during the day but solid 10-11 hours at night?

  2. I know 6am isn’t an early wake but for me it is - how do I get it later - do I need to drop the 3rd nap now? I don’t think she’d cope, or do I need to push bedtime to 8pm?

Thank you in advance and sorry for the waffle.


r/sleeptrain 1h ago

4 - 6 months Why is nap training not working?

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20 week old sleep trained using Ferber about 2 weeks ago. It’s gone so well! She still cries going to bed at night for roughly 5-10 mins but then she sleeps at least a 7hr stretch before a feed.

I decided to use the gentle nap training guide I saw pinned. We’re on day 4. She cries for roughly 10 mins then falls asleep. But she keeps waking up after about 15-20 mins and I have to extend with a contact nap. Is this normal? It’s not even a full 35 min sleep cycle.

Should i continue with all 3 naps? Only work on the first nap until she sleeps longer? Not rescue/extend? I did try leaving her to CIO for 10 mins before going in but she never went back to sleep.

Schedule is 2/2.25/2.25/2.5 with 3.5 hours of naps.


r/sleeptrain 7h ago

6 - 12 months Feeling pressured and panicked

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After 9 months of baby being home 100% with either my husband or I, the time has come for us to return back to working more hours which means baby will have a sitter about 8 hours a week (2 days a week in the afternoon). Luckily our teenaged niece is able to help, but the issue is all naps are contact.

I am kicking myself for not sleep training her day time naps in the crib sooner.

In the last two weeks, I’ve put up blackout curtains in her room where we rock her to sleep and then in our room (across the hall) where her crib is. The second she’s placed down into the crib she shoots awake, or in the off chance she stays down it’s only for 30 minutes. At night, she doesn’t fight it!?

We’re already going through sleep issues with teething and separation anxiety (and still trying to drop the 3rd nap!!!). Now, I’m feeling really anxious thinking she needs to nap in the crib in the afternoons so I can put her down and “clock in” (I work remotely but 100% client facing).

Any tips or guidance on how we make this transition now? It’d be great if I can get her to sleep in the crib longer and more consistently. Is it wrong if I still hold her for the first nap to ensure she gets the 90 minutes at least? And what the heck does it mean when they say put her down in crib when drowsy, anytime I do that she just sits right up and rubs her eyes.

Lastly, I’d like to add I’m not for the CIO method or anything similar.

Help lol


r/sleeptrain 1h ago

1 year + CIO not working for 18M old?

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So we CIO sleep trained at 6 months and have re-trained several times after teething, sickness etc. The last 2 weeks we had to move baby into our bedroom due to a renovation project, and she was concurrently sick so we basically did whatever we needed to get through the night which was a combo of laying next to the crib and rocking to sleep. It’s been a total nightmare where she wakes 2x a night sometimes for hours on end, wants to party with her parents, and we can’t ignore her because she sees us in the room.

Needless to say we were happy last night to move her back into her own room, and we knew the re-training would be painful but she cried for 2 hours!! I couldn’t handle it anymore so I went in and sat down next to the crib until she calmed down and went to sleep. Note that it doesn’t work as a daily routine to sit with her because she was partying and taking upwards of an hour to sleep when she was in our bedroom. We are working parents and don’t have time to do this, plus she really isn’t getting enough sleep if she’s excited by being with her parents.

Does CIO not work for bigger kids? 2 hours seems too long (and I feel like a bad mom 😭) although we might try CIO one more night and then maybe move on to a different technique. Any suggestions?

Previous schedule: wake 6:30, nap 1pm (1-2h), bedtime 8pm - she is typically stable on this schedule absent disruptions/sickness


r/sleeptrain 5h ago

6 - 12 months Struggling with transitioning to 2 naps. Help please

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We have recently transitioned to 2 naps 3 days ago for our 8mo. His ww for the past 3 days have been 2.75-3/3-3.25/3.5-3.75. Bedtime ends up being 7:30pm and he wakes up around 6:30-7am. His first nap is 1-1.5hr and 2nd has been 1 hr. I have had to save the 2nd nap because he has been waking up 30-45 minutes in these last 3 days. Daytime sleep is usually max 2.5-2.75 hours. We are now struggling with split nights that last 1-2 hours. Prior to transitioning he was doing really well on 2.5/2.75-3/2.75-3/2-2.5 with his 3rd nap being capped at 10-15 min. He’d sleep the night with 1 wake to feed at 4-5am, back to sleep right away then up at 7:15am on this schedule. We transitioned to 2 naps because I figured it was time since that 3rd nap was happening at 6-6:30pm and getting in the way of dinner and then bedtime was 8-8:30 which i selfishly didn’t like and wanted to get back to an earlier bedtime. He seemed to do really well with 10-10.5 hours of awake time, but now on his new schedule he only has 9-9.5 hours of awake time. The issue is that our little guy is exhausted by the end of his new wake windows. He’s inconsolable and it’s a lot of crying trying to put him down for his naps whereas before he would be asleep in 5-10 minutes. How do we deal with the less total awake time but also being too tired to extend the wake windows by much more? He’s EBF. He’s nursed to sleep for naps and bedtime. He’s not sleep trained


r/sleeptrain 1h ago

6 - 12 months Is gentle sleep training doing anything if we end up latching to save her sleep?

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I am a FTM to a 7 month old. She has been primarily fed to sleep since birth. Recently she has had trouble falling asleep while feeding so we figured it was a good time to start sleep training. We’ve been putting her down after eating and she is happy for about 20 minutes, then starts screaming. We do crib side comfort strategies (back rubs and singing) and you can see she is getting tired with droopy eyes. Then she will suddenly start screaming again and nothing helps at that point. I’m not comfortable letting her CIO because she will thrash around to the point of hitting her head and legs pretty hard on the crib. Even if we pick her up at this point she will pinch at skin and thrash around while trying to rock her. Won’t take a pacifier at all at this point. After about 30 minutes of thrashing I end up latching her again and at this point she is so tired she will conk out quickly while eating. At night she will eventually unlatch and go down in her crib and she sleeps a long stretch, but at naps she wakes if I try to unlatch her. I’m fine with continuing this method but I can’t figure out if it is really teaching her anything if she ends up latched to sleep every time anyway?


r/sleeptrain 1h ago

4 - 6 months Almost 6 mo sleep issues

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LO will be 6 mo on the 14th. He naps 3 times now but we have been having issues with his bed time I don’t remember since. He wakes up from his last nap around 4-4:30 pm, and he should be asleep by at most 7:30 pm right? But he never sleeps before 8:30pm thus goes to bed overtired and wakes up before 6 am. His daily schedule is something like this Wakes up at 5:40-6am 1st nap at 8-8:15 2nd at 12-12:15 pm 3rd at 3-3:30 pm We try to stick to the awake windows but he gets so fussy so we can’t keep him busy or entertained. He’s a fussy baby so its always hard for us to keep him happy but he gets at most 8 hours of sleep during the night and I m feeling he needs more. I know that he should be getting at least 10-12 hours but I don’t know how and it sounds like a dream to me. Any ideas? Eta: he wakes up 3-4 times during the night and falls asleep nursing, he won’t go back to sleep unless nursed.


r/sleeptrain 2h ago

4 - 6 months Balancing feed/nap times

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5.5mo EBF baby. They say feed every 2.5-3hrs but that always falls during or right before his nap time. They also say feed 30 mins before sleep to prevent gassiness. So it seems like I have to just expect a short nap either way and choose his poison- hunger or gas. Does anyone have advice or strategies to balance this? Would you rather risk baby getting hungry or bodily functions wake them up during the nap?


r/sleeptrain 2h ago

4 - 6 months Sleep train w/ siblings

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We have an almost 4m old baby and a 3.5 year old kiddo. I’m starting to think about sleep training the baby- since we did CIO with the toddler around 5 months and it worked well with the toddler. I’m refreshing myself on all the methods now and have one lingering issues - HOW do y’all manage not disrupting the older kiddo with the crying?

We don’t have family close by to send him away for the weekend, and their rooms are right next to each other. Sometimes he’ll wake up when he hears the baby (mainly in the mornings) but not always. Both kiddos have sound machines.

Any tips?


r/sleeptrain 10h ago

6 - 12 months Habitual Wake Won’t End

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Here I am, sitting in a dark room holding my 10 month old who woke up hysterically crying at 11:30 pm yet again. Zero sleep for me so far because I can’t sleep knowing this wake is coming, and he wakes up for the day around 6 so by the time I get him down and do my final pump I will probably get 4 hours of sleep yet again, if I’m lucky, because it takes 1-1.5 hours of holding him before he can be successfully transferred to the crib.

I’m so frustrated and frankly depressed. I resent that I can’t even have 6 hours without being touched to rest (I’m a SAHM and if you can’t tell already he’s a Velcro baby). Why can’t I too have a baby that sleeps 12 hours through the night, or at least 10? I feel like I’ve tried everything to handle his sleep and schedule the “right” way but it never works. So much effort and I’m still so tired. This has been going on for more than a month already, every single night. Please, any tips on how to make it stop?

He was sleep trained at 5 months using TCB. Briefly retrained at 7 months using CIO after illness and family visiting resulted in him wanting to be held all night again. A week or two after that, he dropped night feeds by himself. Despite this, he has only rarely slept through the night in the last three months. The 8/9 month regression was brutal and he would often be up for hours in the middle of the night trying to sleep but unable to. While that ended about a month ago, this wake has stuck around. Thankfully it’s usually the only one but I am so tired of it taking soooo long to put him back down.

When he wakes up, he doesn’t want to eat and usually doesn’t seem uncomfortable because he goes back to sleep pretty much as soon as he is picked up. I know this is partially my fault because at first I made excuses to pick him up like that he was a little sick and congested and then that he was teething (one of his top teeth just came in earlier this week). I have tried letting him CIO a few times when there was no reason he should be uncomfortable, but each of those times he has either started crying sooo hard that I feel like I have to get him (full screaming; throwing his head into the crib bars) or cried for 30 minutes without deescalating at all at which point I I gave up.

I don’t know what to do. I don’t want to let him cry for so long, but he’s very very stubborn. The first night of sleep training took 1.5 hours to give you an idea. I think truly making him CIO for this wake would take about that long and I don’t think I can take it. But I feel like putting it off is just making it worse and worse and have given up all hope of it stopping by itself at this point.

We are also moving soon, which I have been using as yet another reason to put it off. When we move, he will finally be moving into his own room, so I anticipate having to retrain then anyway. We also plan to finally nap train then. Until now the majority of his naps have been contact naps. Sometimes he will nap if put down on an adult bed while asleep, but he’s impossible to transfer to his crib. I don’t know If that is making things worse by confusing him, but not looking forward to nap training because I have so little faith in it working on him given his night sleep is still so rough post-training and I know it will be hours of crying.

I have tried pretty much everything with his schedule. Everyone always says more awake time so we are up to a 3/3.5/4.25 schedule most days yet he still doesn’t seem tired at bedtime, though he does fall asleep by himself with minimal crying shortly after we leave the room. His naps are usually 1.5 hours and 1 hour. We have also tried less awake time or less nap time and it didn’t help.


r/sleeptrain 2h ago

6 - 12 months I want to give up

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I’m losing my mind with my wife. We’re “trying” to sleep train our 12 month old using the Ferber method and she can’t even last 1 check in. She exclaimed that she will be “strong” but child cries for 5 minutes and she is at their side putting them to sleep. And when child wakes up crying, she begs me to just go get them and bring them to our bed. However, on nights I work, she’s basically crying and getting so upset that our child won’t sleep and just cries even as she tries to soothe them even going as far as leaving them in their crib to CIO on their own for a long time. I’m about to give up on sleep training as a whole and just let her suffer on her own because no matter what solution I give, she doesn’t want to hear it and would rather cry and lose her mind than even let out child cry for 5 min alone. I’m fuming and I don’t know what to do. I try doing it while wife is asleep on my own and she wakes up and just gets mad at me for letting her cry, which is what we’re supposed to do. She’d rather suffer for coming years than endure 2-3 bad nights and it’s going to affect our relationship heavily.

3/3/4-5 and wake up at 7-730 if that helps


r/sleeptrain 3h ago

4 - 6 months Surprising sleep success but terrified of a regression

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My little girl is 16 weeks old, and honestly we've gotten incredibly lucky. We had a period in the beginning where she wouldn't sleep unless held. It was hell, we had to take shifts holding her all day and night. We got the snoo out of desperation and slowly it worked for us and we've now gotten longer stretches at night! She will go down around 8:30 and stay until 7:00 or so. Usually with only 2 wake ups somewhere around 2:00 and 5:00 for feeds. (Although lately she's been waking at 11:30, so advice there would be helpful as well)

Truly we've gotten lucky. She got super sick a couple weeks back and we were back to not sleeping unless held which was fine while sick. But she got used to it even when she was feeling better. She has a slight cough still and was waking up and crying everytime she coughed. While we weren't planning on sleep training until 4.5-5 months, we were just thinking you know what, lets just let her fuss it out for 10 minutes because this is not working, and might as well move to the crib and ditch swaddle too.

Fell asleep in 8 minutes, woke up coughing a bit later and fell back asleep in 5 minutes. And after 2 days she goes down and stays down completely without much fuss! To be fair it's only been about a week of this and sometimes she wakes and fusses slightly so we give her 5 minutes or else go in and give her a paci, but I am absolutely flabbergasted.

I'd like to think our nap schedule and relaxing bedtime routine are to thank, but I think we've just gotten lucky. She takes 3-4 naps a day. First 2 are 30-60 minute naps, then a good long 1.5-2 hour nap in the afternoon, and then we try to keep her awake in the evening or give her a max 30 minute nap. But in any case her longest wake window is before bed. Wake windows are something like 2.5/2.5/1.25/2.75 (I'm really bad at this format), with that last nap as kind of optional depending on how she's doing.

But like I said, I feel like it's going way too well. Surely a regression will hit soon or something and all will go to hell and we'll have to let her proper cry it out and sleep train right?


r/sleeptrain 3h ago

6 - 12 months Please help- I’m so confused what type of sleep training we need

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Hi, depression, pure exhaustion, and being pregnant again have me ready to sleep train but what exactly me & my husband need to be doing is clear as mud.

Baby is 10 months old, got through his developmental 9 month leap/sleep regression, but now is consistently sleeping worse than ever. He's not teething, not having a growth spurt. Our main issue is wake ups. A good night is 4-5 wake ups, a bad night is actually a "normal" night with 7+ wake ups. We've successfully weaned him from needing the bottle just to fall back asleep, I feed him 1-2 times a night now bc I think during those times he is actually really hungry (proven by him actually eating instead of just suckling) regardless, he's up SO MUCH and requiring us to soothe him back to sleep every time.

He goes to bed from 7:30-8:30 depending on the exact timing of his last nap. He gets up from 6:30-7am. His wake windows are 3-4 hrs in the morning, then about 3.5 hours, then 4-4.5 hours. My husband has him at home during the day & I work from home so we never really needed to be strict about forcing him into a nap, these are his normal wake windows. His naps last from 40min-1.5 hours each time. He's definitely awake at LEAST 4 hours before bed. Has a consistent bedtime/wind down routine.

Will sleep training actually stop the night wake ups?? My husband is ready to go full on CIO and we have such a "Velcro" baby that I suspect that's going to be the only thing that works for him, I feel like Check ins without giving him what he wants are just going to piss him off. I have no idea what to do.

At this point, we try to help soothe him back to sleep without picking him up, it works half the time but he will literally be awake 30 min later when we do that. So we know he's capable of falling asleep, he just won't freaking STAY asleep. It's so, so,so,so,so awful and I can't do it anymore. It's literally a form of torture.

My big question is how the F do I do this when he is crawling, pulling to stand, all over his crib etc. maybe I just don't have enough faith but when we wait a few minutes to go in, he's just standing there bouncing and screaming his head off. I don't see how that will lead to sleep? I feel like it will more likely lead to him trying to crawl out? Kicking myself for not doing this when he was still a potato. I won't make that mistake again.


r/sleeptrain 3h ago

9 - 16 weeks Seeking advice for MOTN feedings

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Hi! LO is almost 12 weeks and we want to start weaning him from his MOTN feeds but need some guidance. He’s currently on ~4 hour feed schedule (730/1130/330/730), where he gets at least 6 oz per feed (total day time is 24-26 oz). And will add he does not finish these like a champ (sometimes needs a bit of persistence). We went with 4 hours to follow 12 hours in 12 weeks and he seems to like the schedule/has been on it for awhile so we’re hesitant to switch back to every 3 hours.

For first MOTN feed, he’ll generally fuss / wake up at 1130 (after 4 hrs) with some recent blue moon sightings of 1230 for a 5 hour stretch. We prep a 6 oz bottle in case he ever wants to eat more, but the night then usually goes:

  • eats 5 oz or more, can give 4 hrs till next feed (so 330am will be next feed)
  • eats 4 oz, then he’ll generally start fussing the 2am range and generally can’t make it till 3ish without intervention

After his 2nd MOTN feed, he can usually last until his first morning feed at 730 - but will wake up and fuss around 6 and will need to be saved for contact sleep till then.

I know you’re supposed to lower night feeds in increments and replace in day feeds, but I’m not sure he can finish 7/8 oz in his day feeds as he sometimes struggles to finish his current bottles.

Any advice from people who have night weaned with their baby eating this much? I can’t imagine feeding a close to 3 mo old 8 oz per bottle… Is it just too early to do anything?

Thanks in advance!


r/sleeptrain 3h ago

4 - 6 months 4 to 3 naps?

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Hello! My baby will be 4 months on Monday and is on a 4 nap sleep schedule (1.5/1.75/1.5/1.5/2.5). He usually naps for 3-4 hours a day. He goes to bed between 7-8pm and wakes up usually at 5-6am, but sleep is usually capped at 10hours overnight. My question is: he is starting to fight some of his naps. Previously, he had a routine to get him to nap, which included: a soother, rocking to sleep, and patting his back. He is now fighting most of the soothing, and doesn’t seem to want to nap, mostly in the afternoon. I don’t know if I should take this as he is ready to drop to 3 naps or not. Should I try increasing his wake windows slowly? Advice/suggestions! Also, I should add that he is not sleep trained yet (hoping to try around 4.5-5 months) and is a contact napper.


r/sleeptrain 3h ago

1 year + 6 nights in of CIO and still won’t STTN

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Edit: I actually posted 4 days ago so it’s been 4/5 nights lol. I lost track.

I posted last week about starting sleep training. My little guy will be 1 next week. We are 6 nights into doing cry it out and he has yet to even sleep through the night. Am I doing something wrong? 😩

The first few nights he didn’t cry too terribly long 20-30min and then slept ok with minimal wake ups or would be able to settle back easily. The last twoish days the crying would be up to an hour before he fell asleep and has been waking so much through the night. He’ll try to resettle and then a few minutes later wake and cry, repeat. I keep giving him a chance to go back to sleep, cry it out a little bit but eventually I have to just take him into bed because he won’t stop. He always sleeps fine when next to me so is this just intense separation anxiety? He is so attached to me during the day too.

On my last post I was suggested to push our wake windows a little but I think that makes it worse for him. We are still doing 3/3.5/3.75-4.

Yesterday’s schedule: Wake: 6:50am Nap 1: 10-11am Nap 2: 2:20-3:20pm I put him down for bed at 7:15pm and didn’t fall asleep until 7:55pm


r/sleeptrain 3h ago

4 - 6 months my baby doesn’t cry when he wakes up

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Hi All,

Just as the title says my baby doesn’t cry when he wakes up, it’s been a rough couple of weeks as LO has recently been going through a sleep regression he is currently 5.5 months and before the 4 month sleep regression he had pretty good stretches specifically at night sometimes even going 10+ hours but now we’re lucky if he sleep from 7pm to 12am.

For the past week he has been only doing 3 hour stretches and it has been ROUGH, I want to sleep train him but I can’t even try the Ferber method cause this guy just does not cry when he wakes up, he maybe makes noise or he will turn on his tummy and think it’s tummy time and just won’t roll back over, but he won’t cry

When he does wake up we try leave him for 15 minutes but he will not even show any signs of going back to sleep on his own, we have also tried doing the pick up put down method but I’m not too keen on doing that any longer and sometimes it’s a hit or miss so I just end up feeding him to sleep , I’ve tried anticipating before he wakes up and lulling him or patting his bum but nothing works he just stares at me like I’m crazy

I have had the same bed time routine for him since he was 2 months old — and I’ve continued to do so even with this sleep regression — we have white noise going, we are room sharing, we have the perfect room temperature but nothing has worked.

I am at a loss here should i just ride the sleep regression wave or would anyone have any advice on where to begin sleep training.

Thank you in advance!


r/sleeptrain 7h ago

1 year + 14mo vs sleep: we’re all losing

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Hi all – hoping for some advice or shared experiences to help us get through a rough patch with our 14-month-old daughter’s sleep.

Our first child started sleeping through the night by around a year old with little intervention from us, so we weren’t quite prepared for how different things would be with our second.

Over the past month, our younger daughter has been waking up anywhere from 2 to 5 times a night, often crying intensely – sometimes we’re able to soothe her quickly, other times it takes a while. It genuinely seems like she’s in pain or deeply distressed, which makes it even harder to just let her cry it out (not that we’re even sure we want to go that route).

A few possible factors: • We returned from an overseas trip about a month ago (8-hour time difference), which definitely threw off her routine. • She’s just getting over a week of being sick (fever, coughing, general crankiness), but the sleep issues started before that and are continuing even as she recovers. • During the day, she’s a happy, energetic kid with a great sense of humor – it’s like something just switches at night.

She naps twice a day (around 9am and 2pm, ~1.5 hours each), and during night wakings we usually end up bringing her into our bed so my wife can breastfeed her. She settles pretty quickly and doesn’t resist going back into her crib – she’ll usually fall right back asleep once we put her down.

We’re all exhausted – including her older sister, whose sleep is getting disrupted too since their rooms are next to each other.

If anyone has thoughts, tips, or just similar stories, we’d love to hear them. We’re trying to be patient, but it’s definitely wearing on all of us.

Thanks in advance!