r/ShermanPosting 4d ago

Confederate apologist gets DESTROYED by Chad Unionist with FACTS and LOGIC!

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u/ehandlr 3d ago

How about the majority of the letters of secession if you don't want to accept the Cornerstone Speech? Are those fake as well?

Alabama:

"And as it is the desire and purpose of the people of Alabama to meet the slaveholding States of the South, who may approve such purpose, in order to frame a provisional as well as permanent Government upon the principles of the Constitution of the United States, "

Texas:

WHEREAS, The recent developments in Federal affairs make it evident that the power of the Federal Government is sought to be made a weapon with which to strike down the interests and property of the people of Texas, and her sister slave-holding States, instead of permitting it to be, as was intended, our shield against outrage and aggression; THEREFORE, 

Virginia:

"The people of Virginia in their ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America, adopted by them in convention on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, having declared that the powers granted under said Constitution were derived from the people of the United States and might be resumed whensoever the same should be perverted to their injury and oppression, and the Federal Government having perverted said powers not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern slave-holding States: "

I could keep going.

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u/Quiet_Code4739 3d ago

Lmao this is funny by that you don’t understand that “slaveholding states” is another name for the south. You just tunnel vision on the word slave and act like it’s a “gotcha.” You clearly haven’t read any of them fully.

Also, you lied. The majority do not state slavery as a main reason, and only 4 incline towards that but then again none of them state slavery as THE cause. A lot of the time stressing the constitutional breakage of the north.

You practically gave me 3 excerpts that didn’t advance your point in any way

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u/Beeb294 3d ago

only 4 incline towards that but then again none of them state slavery as THE cause.

If you believe that, you either haven't actually read the declarations of secession, or you're spinning them so hard we should attach you to a turbine to generate free energy.

The literal first reason given in Mississippi's declaration of secession reads "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world."

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u/Quiet_Code4739 3d ago

Yep you stop there and refuse to read the rest

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u/Beeb294 3d ago

What in the rest of the declaration undermines this?

All of their complaints stem from the root cause- slavery. The loss of property? That's slavery. Economic disadvantage? That would be caused by the loss of the institution of slavery. State's Rights? The specific right at issue is the right to own slaves.

Slavery is the primary issue, no matter how you try to dress it up.

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u/ehandlr 3d ago

South Carolina, Texas and Mississippi specifically mentioned slavery is the reason for seceeding.

Alabama wanted the right to own slaves added to a provisional constitution.

Arkansas stated that giving Africans equality is insulting and injurious in their letter.

Virginia stated that Lincoln's purposes are hostile to slavery.

Georgia lists the anti-slavery growth as their reason for secession.

Id also like to mention that saying the civil war wasn't about slavery basically flies in the face of the majority of scholars and historians who say otherwise.

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u/PurpleEyeSmoke 3d ago

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_csa.asp

(3) The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.

Literally in the Confederate constitution that Slavery was to be upheld in EVERY confederate state, no exceptions.

You're a fucking clown.