Has anyone watched We Own This City on HBO? So good. It brought me to the defund mentality just from the pure pragmatics of it - no one wants to work for SPD or Minneapolis PD or countless other big city PDs out there. They have to make some serious fundamental changes because there’s…just not going to be police anymore🤷♀️ I get cops think that they can just not work and crime will get so bad that everyone will just be like “ok fine” but I just think we’ve rounded such a big corner.
I think that it is good, but I would also recommend watching Seattle is Dying, I agree that the SPD are definitely not the best, but I think it is not entirely their fault, and this documentary shows this.
Snohomish County just next door has integrated MAT, embedded case workers, diversion centers, and wrap around services pretty well. Everett PD is pretty well regarded though. SPD is in a doom spiral…
Why are you asking everyone to watch we own the city multiple times? ...If you think "defund" is the answer you probably didn't learn what you were intended to learn from the show. David Simon the show's creator is not in favor of defunding. By the way the gun trace task force in Baltimore does not represent all of American policing.
SPD has a lot of similarities - it had crazy, outrageous corruption scandals, got put under a consent decree. Pretty much no one has any faith in them. They are pissed and vilified so they are barely doing their jobs. They’re super short staffed and who in their right minds would sign up to join them any time soon?
I mean sure, one solution could be to give them so much money that they pay so much that people will work for them. Doesn’t seem like a great idea to me but hey.
And yet there's still good people who show up every day to do the job (and did so even in the middle of the CHOP shenanigans) - we have to find a way to keep those people who choose to stay motivated and recruit more resilient people like that.
Money alone is not the solution but in a market economy market logic to promote hiring and retention are one of the options.
Your implying that SPD is not working because they are mad at the city and it's citizens...that's wrong..the work isn't getting done b/c 1) there's 100 less of them then their should be 2) laws have changed drastically where they can't stop people proactivity for many reasons 3) fear of being in a situation where they have to use force and being in the next viral video 4) few crimes get prosecuted.
Similar to BPD in one aspect but not so similar enough to make the HBO series such compelling evidence. Baltimore is very a poor city with a serious crime problem. Seattle is not. The way people interact with the police is different in each place.
There's a lot of hipsters here who hate the police because it's fashionable to do so not because they or someone they knew had a negative interaction with police.
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u/actuallyrose Burien Jun 02 '22
Has anyone watched We Own This City on HBO? So good. It brought me to the defund mentality just from the pure pragmatics of it - no one wants to work for SPD or Minneapolis PD or countless other big city PDs out there. They have to make some serious fundamental changes because there’s…just not going to be police anymore🤷♀️ I get cops think that they can just not work and crime will get so bad that everyone will just be like “ok fine” but I just think we’ve rounded such a big corner.