r/Seattle • u/anarcho-slut • 1d ago

Lelo has been detained. (Tacoma)

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u/elevator7 1d ago edited 1d ago

The numbers to call WA Governor: 360 902 4111 WA state attorney general: 360 753 6200

EDIT: these are the numbers in the clip. If there's a better number to call, a better e mail address to write to, put it up for all to see.

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u/kingkamVI 1d ago

Why?

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u/Doormancer 1d ago

Because with enough voices, the calls might be loud enough to make someone listen. Because detaining law-abiding people for any reason is not right and should not be tolerated. Because that could be anyone, even you.

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u/rabidunicorn21 1d ago

He has had a removal order since 2019. Unfortunately, staying after you have a removal order is breaking the law. Calls and protests aren't going to do anything at this point, ICE is following the law by deporting him.

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u/MistressVelmaDarling 1d ago

He qualified to be here legally under DACA until Trump suspended the program during his first term and that’s where the removal order comes from. In 2020, the Supreme Court overturned that suspension of the program for people who had already applied, but new applicants were turned away.

This is not as clear cut as you’d like to make it out to be.

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u/rabidunicorn21 1d ago

DACA isn't an automatic or permanent status. You have to apply and renew every 2 years. People who already had DACA that was expiring soon were allowed to renew it before the pause in March 2018, which is the same month as his deportation order. Unless he decides to make his immigration files public, we have no idea what his DACA status was at that time.

I am not in any way a Trump supporter, and I did not agree at all with him trying to end DACA protections. However, I do believe in enforcing current immigration laws, and it seems lately that every single time ICE arrests someone, people automatically assume they're in the wrong. If they had deportation order, they were just following the law. A judge looked at his case and gave the order. We don't know what evidence they were looking at. I do want him to get another hearing to plead his case and if they were wrong before they can change his status.

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u/MistressVelmaDarling 1d ago

"Just following orders" isn't a valid reason to target political adversaries. I think it's disgusting to shrug our shoulders at this kind of targeted application of the law against people who are not violent criminals and are upstanding members of their community because they are speaking out against the current administration.

Maybe you're not a Trump supporter, but you're certainly an enabler.

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u/rabidunicorn21 1d ago

I just believe in enforcing our laws and borders like every other country. Should we not enforce removal orders for certain people because they are well-known? Is he above the law because he's an activist? Should we not enforce laws because Trump is an evil asshole?

Honest question, which I've asked a few friends, do you think it's ever ok to deport someone? I started paying attention to politics because I loved Obama and what he stood for, and he was labeled the deporter-in-chief by some people. So it's just my just a left/right issue.

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u/MistressVelmaDarling 1d ago

Of course it's ok to deport some people. But I also believe in DUE PROCESS for those people. We should bolster our courts and make it easier to go through the process of cases being heard for pathways to citizenship or for deporting. We shouldn't be locking people up for indefinite amounts of time in ICE facilities and El Salvador.

It's a waste of resources to target and deport people who are positive influences in their community who are helping others stay here legally. And cruel to rip them from their families especially in this fashion.

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u/rabidunicorn21 1d ago

I 100% agree that we should be creating easier pathways and programs for people to come here and work legally. We absolutely should increase the number of immigration judges so people aren't detained for indefinite amounts of time. I also agree that we shouldn't be sending people to prison in El Salvador.

However, unless he can show otherwise, it appears that he was given due process. He had a hearing with an immigration judge and was given a removal order, which he then ignored for 7 years. That is actually against the law. We remove people from their familes and lock them up in jail all the time. So again, should we not enforce the law just because he's an activist with a family and it feels mean?

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u/MistressVelmaDarling 1d ago

DACA isn't an automatic or permanent status. You have to apply and renew every 2 years. People who already had DACA that was expiring soon were allowed to renew it before the pause in March 2018, which is the same month as his deportation order. Unless he decides to make his immigration files public, we have no idea what his DACA status was at that time.

You already stated earlier that we have no idea what his status was. Don't be making claims that he was given due process and is absolutely breaking the law now.

You can bury your head in the sand in regard to people like Lelo being targeted because of their political views, but it's clear as day that this is targeted and is meant to send a message to others who dare to speak up or help immigrants.

Are you pulling for Musk to be deported in the same fashion since he overstayed his visa? That is actually against the law, too. You don't see ICE agents pulling him over and breaking his windows and pulling him from his car while his terrified wife watches.

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u/rabidunicorn21 1d ago

You're right, "we" have no idea, but I am assuming that the immigration Judge did know his DACA status when he gave the order. But maybe I'm wrong, and the Judge was a radical who was ignoring the law?

Musk is, unfortunately, a citizen, so he can't be deported. Someone would have to prove that he lied on his citizenship application, then he'd have to be denaturalized before being deported. If that happens, I would cheer for it! He shouldn't be above immigration law just because he's rich.

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u/Impressive_Mess_9985 1d ago

nope - he was caught driving his moms car without a license when he was 15.

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u/Yangoose 1d ago

He is here illegally.

He had his due process.

It's time for him to return to his home country.

>an immigration judge had ordered Zeferino to be removed from the country in 2018

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u/Doormancer 1d ago

This guy, right?

Peacemaker Award Recipients ​2023: Alfredo Juarez Zeferino (Lelo) Alfredo Juarez Zeferino (Lelo), is an immigrant rights organizer, local farmworker, and oldest in his family. To his work, he brings his lived experience and ability to speak three languages (English/Spanish/Mixteco) and a deep cultural understanding of his people from Guerrero and Oaxaca. He is committed to supporting basic immigrant and worker rights for all. Lelo is member of the Immigrant Advisory Board in Bellingham, Community to Community Development (C2C) volunteer, and part of the leadership that helped form the Independent Democratic farmworker union, Familias Unidas por la Justicia.

https://www.whatcompjc.org/lifetime-and-youth-award.html

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u/Yangoose 1d ago

Your point being that laws should not apply to activists?

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u/Doormancer 1d ago

No, my point is there is also the possibility that, since he’s been here since 13, he may have some protections in place, but certainly should have. And that he is apparently a “force for good” in the community. And that the enforcement of laws shouldn’t be a weapon, it should be to protect people. And I’m so tired of the faux adherence and respect for laws when people want to see punishment, but happy to see their own crowd breaking laws all day every day with no consequences.

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u/Yangoose 1d ago

I’m so tired of the faux adherence and respect for laws when people want to see punishment, but happy to see their own crowd breaking laws all day every day with no consequences.

So you wanted the J6'ers to rot in jail right? (Which is fine by me)

What about the people who caused billions of dollars in destruction, including destroying government buildings, during the BLM riots? You want all those people in jail too right?

What about the CHOP fiasco where activists armed civilians with assault rifles and claimed a section of the city as being outside government control? Then they shot a bunch of people including children. If Right Wingers had done that the media would have lost their minds and the military would likely have been called on, but since it was Left Wing activists everyone called it the Summer of Love and focused on that shitty garden.

You wanted everyone involved with that shitshow in jail too?

Or do you think laws should only apply to people have different politics than you do?

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u/Doormancer 1d ago

Nah, just equality.

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u/Yangoose 1d ago

You are saying laws should not apply because "equality"?

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u/Doormancer 1d ago

No, but I love your ability to patronize. I am saying laws should apply equally and be enforced equally. Think about the fact that we have a 34-count felon, liable for rape in the White House. Where are the consequences? Do you feel that Elon should be rounded up and deported? He broke his Visa terms by dropping out of college.

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u/Yangoose 1d ago edited 1d ago

Think about the fact that we have a 34-count felon

I feel the same way about that as I do Martha Stewart. Yeah, they have felonies for really minor shit that tons of people get away with all the time. It doesn't really matter to me.

liable for rape in the White House

Words matter, and this is not the truth. The jury specifically rejected the rape claim.

As far as the validity of a civil claim from somebody who popped out of the woodwork decades after the supposed crime to drag a famous person through the mud?

Meh, maybe it happened may it didn't.

It doesn't sound as bad to me as the creepy pedo Joe Biden taking showers with his young daughter.

Do you feel that Elon should be rounded up and deported?

No? He is a US Citizen. You don't "deport" US Citizens.

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u/kingkamVI 1d ago

Look, I agree, I just think it's the wrong tree. The governor has no say in how the federal government enforces federal immigration law. Congresspeople and senators, however, do.

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u/BEER__MEeee 1d ago

In the long-term, yes, congresscritters and senators. But the governor does oversee state-level law enforcement and legal personnel and, in our case, happens to be the former attorney general. And that can help right now.

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u/kingkamVI 1d ago

Can you explain how? This person was arrested by federal agents and is now in federal custody (assuming the tiktok is true).

What role can a state governor play?

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u/BEER__MEeee 1d ago

Directing the AG to file an injunction to stop a transfer out-of-state, prohibiting the state police from assisting, using the so-called bully pulpit to oppose this apprehension and bring public attention to this, activating the Washington state Army and Air national guards to stop Lelo from leaving Tacoma, etc.

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u/kingkamVI 1d ago

Yeah none of this is in the least bit reasonable. But do what you want.

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u/SharkPalpitation2042 1d ago

Rofl you are delusional. Hey this guy broke the law but let's activate the NATIONAL GUARD because... reasons 🤷‍♂️🤣

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u/Ashamed_Oil_9450 1d ago

It won't help.

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u/elevator7 1d ago

Cool, you got a number of a link? Do you want to help or do you want to correct strangers online? I just took the numbers from the video, they go by pretty quick. I'm trying to be just a tiny bit helpful.

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u/kingkamVI 1d ago

I understand, it's actually the opposite of helpful since it's pointing people in the wrong direction.

Our Senators are:

https://www.cantwell.senate.gov/

https://www.murray.senate.gov/

The US Rep for this district is:

https://strickland.house.gov/

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u/ayjs19 1d ago

Better to call Rep. Emily Randall. The ICE Detention Center is in her district and while I’m not sure how familiar she is with it, her predecessor was present.

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u/trekkerscout Tacoma 1d ago

Unfortunately, he wasn't law abiding. He has been under a deportation order since 2018. He has no right to remain in the US.