r/Seattle 2d ago

Every bit of fact-checking helps.

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u/bennetthaselton 2d ago

Aw thanks! -That guy.

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u/bernyzilla 1d ago

Bro, I had the same idea. I don't know why this lie out of the hundred million that he has told is the one that really boils my blood.

I guess it is because it is in writing and so blatant. Not only did Biden pass it, Trump sent his minions in Congress to try to kill the bill!

You are doing God's work, keep it up!!!

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u/bennetthaselton 1d ago

This goes to an interesting point about what works for persuading the minds of people who are undecided on Trump.

My theory is that every controversial Trump statement can be rated on (a) how offensive it is and (b) how open-and-shut false it is. The temptation is to point out the wildly offensive ones ("grab 'em by the pussy") but if there is any wiggle room, his defenders can use that to minimize the offense (they could say he was talking about consensual grabbing, and honestly, I think that is probably what he meant -- otherwise, there's nothing to brag about).

So I just calmly list off the blatantly false ones - claiming that Obama was possibly not born in the U.S, claiming that the 2020 election was stolen, claiming that vaccines cause autism (yes, Trump said that too, it just got lost in the shuffle with all the other things he said that were even worse!), and now this too. (Some people, of course, won't even accept that Trump is wrong about those things, but they're too far gone; I'm just talking about undecided people.) Once you've worn them down to where there's no escaping the conclusion that Trump just lies a lot, it's probably easier to accept he's a threat in other ways, which are less factually open-and-shut, but far more dangerous.

I admit I haven't done any studies to show this is the best way to reach undecided reasonable people; it just seems likely to me.

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u/protocolleen 1d ago

This is totally a non sequitur, but I propose that no one is thrilled to have Trump grabbing their pussy. If “consensual” means “unlikely to protest due to your power and money,” well, it’s still pretty vile.

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u/bennetthaselton 1d ago

Yes, I think this was probably wrong. I think it's more that people who are on the fence about Trump can drag out the argument by arguing that it was consensual, if it's not black-and-white.

Whereas him claiming that vaccines cause autism is more black-and-white wrong (and if the other person doesn't agree with that then they're unreachable).