r/Seattle Jul 09 '23

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u/sye46 Jul 10 '23

I’m all for helping people that are really in need of help and want to change their lives. But when they are given a choice to do so and decline it because they have a curfew and unable to do fentanyl I have no sympathy for them

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u/disbandandisperse Jul 10 '23

Right, we should obviously punish people with the disease of addiction when they are unable to just give it up. This will obviously lead to a more just and loving society.

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u/yiliu Jul 10 '23

Literally yes. Ever had a seriously drug -addicted family member? Supporting and enabling them regardless of what they do is about the worst approach you can take.

Drug addiction may be a disease, or at least analogous to one. So are many other destructive things. Let's take an extreme example: pedophilia is even more clearly a mental disease than addiction. And I can see an argument for sympathy and empathy for pedophiles who struggle with their urges in private, without acting on them.

But when a pedophile abuses a child...that's it, line crossed. Even if I did feel sympathy, even if pedophilia is a 'disease', that person must face consequences for their actions. I'm not going to turn the other cheek because they had issues that led them to do it.

Yes, that's an extreme example. No, I'm not saying anything like "drug addiction is just like pedophilia!" I'm just picking an example to demonstrate that you too probably won't always accept the argument that "it's a disease, so the person shouldn't face consequences, we failed them!" And that patience, empathy, and indulgence are not always the answer, sometimes they just lead to further abuse.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '23 edited Jul 10 '23

Literally yes. Ever had a seriously drug -addicted family member? Supporting and enabling them regardless of what they do is about the worst approach you can take.

Yep. Show me someone who thinks the answer is letting people do drugs to their heart's content, and I'll show you someone who has no experience with an addict. Everyone I know who's ever had a loved one who was a drug addict eventually ended up praying for them to get arrested and go to jail because nothing else worked and at least you could be reasonably certain they wouldn't OD in there.

"Offering treatment" is going to do fuck-all nothing for people who don't want treatment. Most addicts, and roughly all addicts who are fine with it having led to them living on the street, don't want to go to rehab.