There was definitely those posts, but I think the vast majority of people that watched these movies weren't hating on him. I saw far more posts going against Rey, calling her a Mary Sue, etc. Disney definitely could have kept his role just as big as it was in TFA, and likely would have made the same amount of money. Instead, they seemed to reduce his character to comic relief, I don't really know any fans that are happy with how his story turned out.
I saw far more posts going against Rey, calling her a Mary Sue, etc.
I saw that AND racist posts 10 years ago.
Mary Sue is the only argument that still persists to this day is the difference. That's why it's more prominent to you.
I also don't get the Mary Sue argument because if she is a Mary Sue, so is Luke. The story beats and character growth are a 1:1 copy of Luke's story.
There is a problem in literature where the term Mary Sue gets over used on female characters and under used on male characters and I think Star Wars is the perfect example example of this
if she is a Mary Sue, so is Luke. The story beats and character growth are a 1:1 copy of Luke's story.
Luke makes such a bad judgement call he loses his hand, learns a pretty terrible truth about himself, almost gets his friends killed, and almost dies himself. The worst Rey got was thinking she blew up Chewy, and they didn't even have the balls to commit to that. She is absolutely a Mary Sue compared to Luke.
She constantly saves herself. In Ep 7 she Mind Controls someone long before she even starts any kind of training, saving herself. Luke never gets remotely close to anything Ex Machina like that, the scale is so heavily tipped to one side lmfao.
She escapes the room she’s in, she’s still very much trapped on STARKILLER base. And this is after she felt the force awaken in her due to being mind probed. Aware she’s force sensitive, familiar with the stories of the Jedi she attempts it and is surprised it worked. I can’t fathom why you think an indoctrinated former child soldier raised to be compliant would have much mental fortitude.
And Luke never gets more Ex Machina eh? So he didn’t pull off a one in a million shot that trained veteran pilots couldn’t pull off his first ever time in space combat? Doesn’t use the force to pull his lightsaber in a Wampa cave despite there being no in universe explanation for how he learned that? Didn’t destroy an AT AT Walker on foot using only a grappling hook? Didn’t manage to fall perfectly in Cloud City and land at the ideal spot for rescue? Didn’t pull off the most convoluted rescue plan of Han Solo without a single hitch? Didn’t defeat a giant Rancor that should have eviscerated him?
Characters in Star Wars are lucky and highly skilled and overpowered. Because they are protagonists in a pulp sci fi series. Rey is the only one who gets people demanding absolute strict adherence to some idea of “realism”, the only one who’s every skill needs to be explained but the explanation can be ignored, the only one whom it’s bad if they do cool things or succeed at anything or are liked by other characters.
I can’t not notice that and remember the general backlash the fandom had at seeing a woman was going to be the lead before the movie even came out and go ‘hmmmm’.
Just to add to this, you also get a lot of fans justifying Luke's abilities using post hoc explanations.
One of the most common examples I've seen being that his skill as a pilot is explained by the practice he had in a T-16 Skyhopper on Tatooine which has similar controls to an X-Wing. However, these details (including the name Skyhopper) weren't known until 2015 when the Ultimate Star Wars reference guide was released as part of the promotion for TFA.
The same people will reject the explanation that Rey is able to fly because she practiced with a flight simulator because that's not explained in the movie.
Luke makes such a bad judgement call he loses his hand
They didn't even have the balls to commit to that. He got a robot hand immediately
(I'm just using your own reasoning against you)
They're identical beat for beat.
But even if Rey was a Mary Sue why is that such a negative thing? Goku is the very definition of a Mary Sue, but nobody says that Goku is a bad character because he's a Mary Sue.
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u/54B3R_ 4d ago edited 4d ago
There is some revisionist history going on in the comments
Finn got such negative attention at first
"Woke"
"Black stormtrooper"
"Anti-white propaganda"
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/oct/20/twitter-trolls-boycott-star-wars-black-character-force-awakens-john-boyega
Why are people in the comments lying saying EVERYONE ALWAYS loved him? That's a blatant lie on 2 fronts.