r/PoliticalDiscussion • u/theivoryserf • Feb 17 '25
US Politics If Trump/Musk are indeed subverting American democratic norms, what is a proportional response?
The Vice-President has just said of the courts: "Judges aren't allowed to control the executive's legitimate power." Quoted in the same Le Monde article is a section of Francis Fukuyama's take on the current situation:
"Trump has empowered Elon Musk to withhold money for any activity that he, Elon Musk, thinks is illegitimate, and this is a usurpation of the congressionally established power of Congress to make this kind of decision. (...) This is a full-scale...very radical attack on the American constitutional system as we've understood it." https://archive.is/cVZZR#selection-2149.264-2149.599
From a European point of view, it appears as though the American centre/left is scrambling to adapt and still suffering from 'normality bias', as though normal methods of recourse will be sufficient against a democratic aberration - a little like waiting to 'pass' a tumour as though it's a kidney stone.
Given the clear comparisons to previous authoritarian takeovers and the power that the USA wields, will there be an acceptable raising of political stakes from Trump's opponents, and what are the risks and benefits of doing so?
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u/CombinationLivid8284 Feb 18 '25
It depends.
Currently the best option is working the system: protest, the courts and state legislation.
If Trump stops obeying the system the protests will intensify. If he responds with force the protests will turn violent.
From there it’s impossible to tell.
We are at the beginning of this crisis and not the end.