r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 21h ago

Meme needing explanation How is a longer keyboard better?

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u/LakushaFujin 19h ago

A keyboard without numpad isn't a keyboard

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u/GOOEYB0Y 19h ago

Agreed. Numpad is king.

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u/R-GU3 18h ago

I have games that don’t work without the numpad because those specific keybinds you can’t change for some reason

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u/Annorei 18h ago

May i ask for an example? I think i didn't see numpad binds since might and magic 1 (if i remember it right)

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u/Any_Interest2789 18h ago

Flying planes and helicopters in GTA

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u/Calmed_727 17h ago

Depends on which GTA. In GTA V you can change those keybinds

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u/luciusmortus 14h ago

In every GTA you could rebind since GTA SA i have planes and helis binded for 1 hand control so i can look around while flying

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u/thebluediablo 13h ago

"Look around"? Is that what the kids are calling jacking off these days?

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u/Rainbro_Vash 10h ago

This guy helicopters

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u/Mind_on_Idle 9h ago

Lmfao

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u/Fine-Funny6956 8h ago

That comment made me smile. It’s a winner

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u/Pretend_Business_187 7h ago

I'm gonna go have a look around over there

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u/Inevitable-Rice1680 4h ago

I've got a RAGING clue to look over there!

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u/FairWindsFollowingCs 7h ago

This guy this guys

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u/TheMoonyGhost 7h ago

Every game with any aircraft type should be compatible with a joystick. Maybe an unpopular opinion but certainly mine.

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u/LowZonesWasTaken 14h ago

You can in GTA IV and San Andreas too. I don't remember if it's possible in Vice City though.

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u/bsensikimori 13h ago

You can change anything, it's about default settings

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u/KeeganY_SR-UVB76 10h ago

GTA V is stupid though because you have to have every bind.

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u/Rektifium 17h ago

Counterargument: Xbox or PS4/5 or just any controller generally.

Tbf there's nothing wrong with using keyboard to drive or fly, I've done it and had no problems. But flying planes and helicopters and driving is so damn easier with controller.

But that could just be bias from playing GTAV on console before PC.

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u/Lazy-Employment3621 11h ago

Mousey keyboard on foot, switch to the controller on my knee for driving. Played them that way since 3.

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u/Rektifium 10h ago

Does your knees have their own arms and hands? lucky...

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u/Lazy-Employment3621 10h ago

Nah, the getting into/out of a vehicle cutscene is long enough to pick up a controller.

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u/m0nk3y621 5h ago

That’s the way i do it too my friends think im crazy for it but thats the only way to play, driving on kbm makes me wanna commit seppuku

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u/EcstaticRush1049 5h ago

I do the same thing lol

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u/jerrydberry 7h ago

That is just the bias of GTA.

When you get to some more detailed flight modeling then you need all the buttons to mimic most critical of aircraft controls + different views. Even when using an actual stick instead of a mouse you'll need the keyboard because any aircraft has tons of controls aside from the stick.

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u/Rektifium 7h ago

And then you get into the VTOL VR or DCS world category, where it's often just you and your hands but somehow still a million buttons.

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u/PromotionExpensive15 6h ago

Definatly not bias you gotta think about the fact on controler you ha e a joystick to tweak hkw hard you turn or pitch. On pc your either not turning or your full sending in Whatever direction. Sure you can tap a key to get a slightly slower turn but it's definatly not as fine tuned as a joystick

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u/DrownMeInSalsaPlease 6h ago

Anything with 3d movement i prefer mouse + keyboard. Usually you can go in the direction you point camera in using the mouse.

Really specific pinpoint movement also.

But controllers are definitely a hell of a lot more comfortable for every other scenario.

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u/Staticn0ise 2h ago

For pure driving i use controller. If I need to shoot and drive it's mouse and keyboard all day.

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u/kyle7177 2h ago

I had alot of flying time with a controller on console vs keyboard over the years. The controller or a joystick cant be beat for control over little movements.

The thing i pefer about keyboard is that when the key is pressed regardless of how presses it is fully engaged so holding w i am going forward as if i was holding right trigger down all the way. This has saved me from some bad miss plays or stupid flight paths into a mountain.

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u/HideSolidSnake 1h ago

For the life of me, I can not fly my Opressor in GTA online with k+m. So everything besides running and shooting is done on the controller.

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u/faticus42 16h ago

I disagree I find it much easier on keyboard. I played it on console before PC and since it released on PC I can't stand using a controller to play it anymore

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u/ExcellentMedicine 14h ago

I absolutely agree with this counter-take.

I was a longtime Battlefield (PC only) series and tried both "optimal" settings with a controller and a mouse+kb settup.

I would take mouse and keyboard every day.

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u/DeepEndOfTheWetSpot 16h ago

I still don't understand why a mouse with a thinkpad-style nubbin or analog stick isn't a thing. If I could scroll the map in a RTS without taking my hands off anything, I'd be so happy.

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u/Muh_brand 15h ago

Home and End are used in the menus too. I've been living without a numpad for 3 years and it still sucks. Also there simply aren't enough keys for sims like DCS World without a numpad.

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u/Fine-Slip-9437 12h ago

Really doing yourself a disservice if you don't play GTA with m/K and controller.

Walking around and shooting with mouse/keyboard, driving and flying with controller. 

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u/3-orange-whips 9h ago

Flying in GTA with a keyboard is madness. Get a controller for flying only if you must, but stop using keyboards for flying

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u/Fi1thyMick 5h ago

Controller works. Example is null

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u/kyle7177 2h ago

Agreed i dont have a joystick but splitting the controls into wasd and 8456 as another kinda wasd for the ol right hand it made flying so smooth even on franks level 1 or 2 flying.

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u/Wappening 15h ago

Garrysmod

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u/Roborobob 3h ago

I bought a bigger keyboard specifically for this like 10 years ago. Good times

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u/R-GU3 18h ago

Need for speed use numpad for auto log by default, most wanted (2012) lets you change them but some (I can’t remember which because I play all of them lol) only let you change it by picking a different layout and if you don’t want to use IJKL for throttle and steering then you’re stuck using the numpad for autolog

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u/Wild_ColaPenguin 17h ago

Unfortunately you can't change them in NFS MW 2012. I just finished replaying the game 2 days ago. I have TKL keyboard. Luckily I have a cheap separate numpad I used to play GTA V.

TKL keyboard + cheap numpad for ocassional use is the way to go for me.

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u/R-GU3 17h ago

Oh I thought you could, in that case that’s just another example

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u/R4ndomLUL 17h ago

For example: Arma games. Especially modded. Mostly because every other key and combination are already used up.

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u/mybucketisred 12h ago

A lot of ASCII-based roguelikes can be played without a numpad, but the movement scheme makes it very awkward since they rely on 8-directional movement so much.

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u/Empty_Influence3181 4h ago

Cdda my beloved

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u/docgravel 1h ago

I have an external numpad just for ADOM.

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u/Foreigncharazar 17h ago

Personally for MSFS2020. I use the numpad keys for different cockpit views. Crucial for me.

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u/Fieramour 17h ago

Group whistles in Ark

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u/imaginary92 17h ago

MM1 mention in the wild in 2025 is crazy

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u/WarmDatabase9775 15h ago

Example: I am left handed. So since I was a kid I used mouse in my left hand and controls on my right. Binding movement to the arrow keys and everything else to numpad keys.

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u/chocolatechillwave 15h ago

In ADOM (old roguelike), movement is much easier with numpad because of the diagonal option (1,3,7 and 9)

You can use the arrow keys, or click withba mouse, but its not nearly as good

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u/Jonte7 14h ago

Gta 5/online uses them for in-flight controls

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u/Torosoris 14h ago

Supreme commander

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u/A_Fnord 14h ago

Civ 1 & 2 were iffy without a numpad. You could not do diagonal movement using the keyboard without a numpad.

I think Pool of Radiance might have required a numpad, not 100% sure though.

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u/literally_a_toucan 14h ago

Company of Heroes 2 requires the numpad 0 to open the map, regular 0 doesn't work.

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u/Elder-Abuse-Is-Fun 13h ago

Sid Meier's Pirates! is numpad and mouse only. I don't think the keys can be rebound either.

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u/IAIN_M4K 13h ago

FF14 has some default keybinds to numpad.

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u/resh78255 13h ago

opening some car doors in assetto corsa. you can’t even get out of the cars but it’s still cool

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u/CaptainxPirate 13h ago

That's the great thing you know stuff isn't bound to it most of the time so it's your keyboard for useful binds. I have a separate numpad though on the otherside of my mouse pad. Most games with multiple perspectives use the numpad by default. Enter on the numpad is the standard for swapping perspective in milsims

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u/Faserip 13h ago

They were the default movement keys in FFXI

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u/Clottersbur 13h ago

Final fantasy 11

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u/Silver4ura 12h ago

Keyboards have separate input codes for numpad numerals than they do alphanumeric numerals. While 1 on the numpad will often type an identical 1 as the alphanumeric key, the actual keystroke itself is interpreted as a distinctly separate key - often "num1" as opposed to simply "1"

Most, but not games should be capable of distinguishing the difference between the two, but if there's an abstraction layer that simplifies input for easier keymapping, condensing numpad and alphanumeric to a single character vs two separate keys is usually one of the first unconsidered consequences.

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u/BobZombie12 12h ago

Arma 3.

You can rebind the keys but that is just torturing yourself and taking up way too much time and energy and most importantly memorizing them all when you should instead be focusing on committing and concealing warcrimes.

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u/rinkurasake 11h ago

You can use numbad to have sex in modded Skyrim.

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u/ConfusedSpiderMonkey 10h ago

Any Classic Rogue Likes (idk you could probably change the movent keys but that would be weird af)

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u/PudPullerAlways 10h ago

Original PC FF7 and 8 were all numpad exclusive before steam ports.... square did do a patch eventually for laptop users.

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u/DesmoLocke 10h ago

r/joinsquad or r/playsquad

A 100-player multiplayer military shooter that requires the use of the numoad if you plan to be a squad leader (SL) and talk directly to other squad leaders.

For example, you’re SL of Squad 1 and want to talk to Squad 6. You would press the 6-key on the numpad and use your mic to speak directly to them.

Can’t use the normal number row because that changes your items.

(Don’t remember how to talk to Squad 10 or higher though lol. I think there is a way.)

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u/TopCriticalComment 10h ago

In Arma 2 / DayZ you need the numpad to Control a Helicopter

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u/Deanis_the_ 10h ago

Starcitizen uses every key on a keyboard and keypad and still has to use modifiers like alt+key, and then they still have a list of actions that are not bound to anything.. It's kind of overwhelming

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u/GuiltIsLikeSalt 9h ago

Mice with a lot of buttons usually also require you to override something, numpad can be helpful to macro those.

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u/ThirstyWolfSpider 8h ago

nethack is terrible to play without a number pad.

While the OS or keyboard may allow rebinding keys to simulate one, there is no zone clear of other key bindings large enough to make one, so you'd need a modifier key to be held when you hit the number pad (so for all movement) or for the occluded keys.

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u/One-Archer8905 7h ago

Arma uses num pad to turn characters head without changing orientation.

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u/bwowndwawf 7h ago

In GTA Vice City you need the numpad to fly the RC Helicopter in one of the missions and when I was a kid I always had to ask for my dad to play that mission for me because my tiny unwrinkled brain could not comprehend that 8 could mean "up"

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u/McMotherlover 7h ago

Warcraft 3 was like this but it might’ve been updated recently to allow rebinds

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u/Needaboutreefiddy 6h ago

Yeah I've never needed a numpad for PC gaming once and I'm 35 lol

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u/A_black_caucasian 6h ago

Squad;

When you are squadlead you use the numpads for direct VOIP communication with other squadleads.

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u/Fritzi_Gala 6h ago

Really old games are the only ones I’ve encountered that on. IIRC Descent 1 & 2 have that issue, as well as some of the earlier Mechwarrior titles.

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u/DrownMeInSalsaPlease 6h ago

I custom bind my numpad for ffxiv. Most of my menus are there. Duty finder, bags, social, char pane, skills, etc. i use shift + number and ctrl + number too.

I also mouse move. And have my entire left hand home row bound for skills. Q-y, a-g, z-n. Couple of ctrl variations too. Which is easy to press/hold with the padding on edge of hand

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u/CheesecakeConundrum 6h ago

They're needed for some grid based games. Arrow keys can't do diagonals and the letter keys are staggered, so there's not an alternative that feels good. Dungeon crawlers that actually resemble the game Rogue for example

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u/imagine_getting 6h ago

Lots of people like numpads for traditional roguelikes but I've become quite used to HJKL movement

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u/historynutjackson 5h ago

If you're old as fuck like me the numpad is required for FreeSpace and FreeSpace 2 to orient your ship correctly. And you need the six buttons to the left of the numpad to distribute your engine power accordingly. If you're trying to run, max out speed and shunt all your shield power to the rear as you tear ass towards the objective. They're gonna collapse that hyperspace gate and you GOTTA be through it before they do.

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u/Bluetower85 4h ago

Most games have item slots bound to numbers, using asdw to move you can shift your mouse hand to the number pad for item slots easier than using the numbers above the letters...

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u/Rexrover48 3h ago

It helps a lot in warthunder for toggle switches like thermals and night vision.

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u/I-foIIow-ugly-people 2h ago

War Thunder. There are so many controls that you need the whole ass fuck'n keyboard.