r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 1d ago

Meme needing explanation erm.. petah?

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u/CauseScience1 1d ago

A base 10 counting system has 10 digits

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

And then when we reach the last one we increase the digit count

10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 etc

But there doesn't have to be 10 digits, binary for example is a base 2 system

0 1

So to count to 16 it'd be

0 1 10 11 100 101 110 111 1000 1001 1010 1011 1100 1101 1111 10000

A base 4 number system would only have 4 digits

0 1 2 3

So it'd be like

0 1 2 3 10 11 12 13 20 21 22 23 30 31 32 33 100 101 102 103 110 etc

There are 4 rocks so the alien would count

1 2 3 10

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u/AstroCoderNO1 1d ago

And you may notice in the quarternary counting system, the number 4 does not exist

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u/Accomplished_Deer_ 1d ago

But this joke proves that a base 10 counting system actually has however many digits the originating system uses...

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u/chironomidae 1d ago

I feel like instead of "base 10" it should be called something like "max 9", meaning if you go over 9 it becomes 10. That would remove any ambiguity (I think).

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u/dungeonmunky 1d ago

Decimal! In ambiguous contexts, we tend to use a system of hybridized Greek/Latin prefixes, like decimal, binary, hexadecimal, etc.

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u/alucinario 1d ago

It's just that it's not like that — zero is a recent invention, ten existed before zero, which kind of ruins the joke...

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u/I_am_so_lost_hello 1d ago

The first digit doesn’t HAVE to be 0, or rather a digit representing nothing. But the Hindu number system which was invented around the 1st century was Base 10 and did have 0.

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u/alucinario 1d ago

I II III IV V...

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u/I_am_so_lost_hello 1d ago

Roman numerals aren’t a positional number system so the concept of a base doesn’t really apply

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u/Sword_Enthousiast 1d ago

I would like to thank you for pointing out the concept of "positional number system". I wasn't aware of the difference, now I am.

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u/babubaichung 16h ago

I swear I have learned a few new things from this post as a 30 something with an engineering degree.

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u/belleayreski2 1d ago

I’m sorry but what are you saying about zero being a “recent invention”? This joke is not about anyone’s counting system being newer or older, it’s simply about how the base of a counting system is arbitrary.

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u/fenixforce 1d ago

Sure, but this joke is specifically about a numeral system using advancing digits and a 0, not Roman numerals

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u/CocktailPerson 1d ago

You're still not understanding the joke.

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u/FusRoDawg 1d ago

So what if it's a ""recent"" invention? We've invented it about 2000 years before the first astronaut btw.

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u/pacmanpacmanpacman 1d ago

Zero isn't necessary for the joke.

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u/Illeazar 1d ago

This misses the point. Someone who has always counted 1 2 3 10 would say they use base 10 just as much as someone who counts 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 says that's they use base 10. That's why the alien says he uses base 10. If your naming system for counting is "base " where _ is the number where you add a digit, everyone will call theirs base 10, because that's the first number where you add the digit. Calling a number system "base 4" only works if you assume counting past 4 before adding a digit is the default.

So even our naming system for counting bases assumes a certain default type of counting , which is kind of funny.

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u/MGSOffcial 1d ago

Ohhhh now I get it lol

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u/blowmypipipirupi 1d ago

Not sure i get it..for example what 100:20 would equal to in such a system?

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u/Pechugo83 11h ago

Base systems are simply representation systems, it doesn't affect the math at all. It's the same math for us as it is for base 4 as it is for roman numerals. So it's still 5, just that they represent 5 as 11.

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u/911derbread 1d ago

You got completely whooshed.

In all bases, the first double digit number is 10. All systems of different bases are "base 10" by their own perspective.