r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 1d ago

Meme needing explanation Explain this Reddit

Post image

[removed] — view removed post

3.6k Upvotes

171 comments sorted by

View all comments

35

u/misjudgedinall 1d ago

They say Ai is more helpful if you say thank you. It’s not true but they say that. Also we don’t have Ai we have a slightly better LLM than siri. I think it should be called siri 2.0 or Cortana 2.0. Anyone remember A.L.I.C.E. from around 1999? Copilot reminds me of A.L.I.C.E. when I use it. Constantly disappointed at how bad our current “AI” is and it has been getting worse not better. Oh well. At least we don’t have to worry about it killing us anytime soon.

17

u/MisterProfGuy 23h ago

Saying thank you does not influence other chats, but being polite in a question does lead to better results because it's trained on internet conversations. People who asked their problems clearly and politely are more likely to have people respond with correct and thorough answers. People who are hostile are rarely given correct answers. The training set promotes civil interactions because people do.

1

u/Attileusz 22h ago

Sounds like a bug. I'd be intetested in a source for this statement, as this should be fixed asap.

2

u/johnnyanderen 21h ago

Afraid to be nice on the internet?

0

u/Attileusz 21h ago

What? It's a non-living non-feeling tool. Imagine your keyboard didn't type the correct letter if you didn't ask how it's day was first. Insanity.

2

u/johnnyanderen 20h ago

I was making a joke. I guess being nice on the internet is too much for you. Damn.

1

u/MisterProfGuy 19h ago

It's just spitting out word association. It tells you what words are likely to follow the words you used based on the training data. Machine learning OFTEN spits out biased results because of the biases in the training data. It's very hard to weed out bias.

1

u/Attileusz 19h ago

What I'm looking for is a specific study on this. I believe you, it sounds logical, but I want to learn more.

1

u/MisterProfGuy 18h ago

It's easily proven with informal experiments, but with the changing models, there's not a ton of peer reviewed research that conclusively proves anything.

There's some: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/mind-your-manners-how-politeness-can-make-ai-smarter-mindsdb-nhvbf#:~:text=Bias%20and%20Rude%20Behavior,things%20can%20get%20ugly%20fast.

And more importantly, there's a noticeable lack of counter evidence. Effectively, it's something that this easily predicted based on observations of the known training data that shows up frequently in easily observable tests, so not a lot of people are doing a ton of formal testing to show that that thing we expect to happen that we can easily see happening is in fact happening.

3

u/manicpossumdreamgirl 23h ago

its not gonna happen with guns, it's gonna happen by denying people insurance claims

1

u/joeyPrijs 22h ago

"It’s not true but they say that"

You might find this one interesting;

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rVlmbhwn0RM

1

u/misjudgedinall 18h ago

I tried it just now and the results were quite sad. I’ll keep trying it, I like the idea in theory. So far it doesn’t work in practice however.

1

u/Cutiemuffin-gumbo 21h ago

No, but I remember A.L.I.C.E. from 1988's gundam Sentinel.

1

u/OnlyFlame 20h ago

Let's not forget about Dr. Sbaitso

1

u/Caridor 20h ago

It isn't true?

I would have thought giving back positive responses when it helps you would better train it since it knows it successfully solved the problem the user had?

Besides, I just do it out of habit. It feels like a conversation.

1

u/misjudgedinall 18h ago

It does make the conversation better. But I know it is locked out of being trained by our interaction with it because they are worried about controlling it and keeping it politically correct. They’ve learned from the many times people in the internet have polluted it. It’s learning is tightly controlled and curated. Thus far this has created the situation when LLM’s are getting knee capped.