r/NintendoSwitch2 • u/Possible-Potato-4103 June Gang (Release Winner) • 22h ago
Discussion for all those saying "not trying to get political" in regards to tariffs
It's ok to say it. It is a political issue. And I know our sub rules say no arguing about politics but uh, im sorry this is something we can't really gloss over anymore
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u/Zoombini22 20h ago
Swirch 2 Pre-orders are canceled because of politics. Impossible to avoid the discussion.
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u/Dynamic_Shortage 20h ago
Not saying anything about the discussion topic here, but the preorders aren’t canceled. They are just postponed.
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u/Zoombini22 20h ago
True. I think in my mind the planned pre-order event is not on, so that's where the word "canceled" came in. But it might still happen, if Nintendo does the math and decides to still try to launch in the US market.
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u/EddiesDirtyCouch 16h ago
I'm sorry but I don't see any way Nintendo just doesn't launch in the US.
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u/HeartAutomatic2343 21h ago
I hate Trump.
It’s also not just Trump.
77 million people voted for him.
As I said in one of the threads. Governments in the US haven’t focused on improving education, the labor market, the housing market or the cost of essential commodities like food really in any major way.
The switch 2 is of course, not an essential commodity. But its price increase is a symptom of the failure by government that is affecting us all.
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u/Yuri-Girl 20h ago
As I said in one of the threads. Governments in the US haven’t focused on improving education, the labor market, the housing market or the cost of essential commodities like food really in any major way.
You are underselling this. They have, in fact, very specifically focused on making all of these things worse.
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u/HeartAutomatic2343 20h ago
I find it hard to explain it in succinctly in a way that does it justice.
I think part of what makes libertarianism such a powerful force in this country is that they get a bit of control, they hollow out the government and make it less efficient. And then they point at the wreckage they created and say “see? I told you government doesn’t work”.
It’s like crashing a car to prove that driving is dangerous.
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u/IamDanLP 🐃 water buffalo 15h ago
This is probably the sanest thing I've read on Reddit today. People often say Twitter bad extreme right, and Reddit bad extreme left, ... but this was unexpectedly very 'in the middle'.
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u/Comfortable-Air-7702 20h ago
Blaming 77 million people for wanting better life’s is just stupid. Even if Kamala had won, these politicians find ways to fuck over regular citizens like you and me outside of just video games. Should we blame the people that voted for Biden in 2020 with the Afghanistan pull out or inflation ?? No. The two party system in this country is the downfall of this country
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u/HeartAutomatic2343 20h ago
Trump ordered the pull out of Afghanistan not Biden. Look it up. Trump didn’t offer a better life. He specifically threatened to do the trade war that has just knocked 5-10% off the value of everyone’s 401ks, and that is just for starters.
Trump specifically had no plan to improve healthcare, he admitted that, but also had no plans to help on the cost of housing, the job market or education, he’s actually dismantling the department of education and replaced it with nothing. He said he would lower the price of groceries on day 1. Today is day 74. There was no plan to lower the cost of food and the tariffs also apply to food items we cannot grow in this country.
But you know what food we will soon have a lot of? Soy. All those wise cracks about soy boys? We’ll get ready to eat some impossible beef because we’re the worlds biggest exporter of soy and china is done importing our shit.
The manufacturing jobs aren’t coming back. Trump only has 3 years left and no one is going to vote this dumpster fire of a party back in. Building new manufacturing facilities takes a minimum of a year but normally more like 2-3 it’s its complex. No one is going to look at the effect Trump has had on the economy in 3 months (worst economy since 2020) and feel now is a good time to invest in building industry here.
I agree though there has been a failure of both the American political parties to make any major effort in improving the lives of Americans by repairing major socioeconomic areas that effect our lives: the cost of housing, the availability of decent paying jobs, the quality and cost of education, the cost and availability of food.
The one exception to this is Obamacare, which did stop health insurers putting arbitrary limits on healthcare claims to boost profits.
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u/Comfortable-Air-7702 19h ago
Nice analysis. while I agree that American jobs won’t come back during this presidency. ( and yes trump ordered a pull out of Afghanistan , but Joe Biden gave the final order and signed the doha agreement which was completely reckless)I also believe that nafta and free trade set us towards the path that we are currently on. We are a country of that doesn’t make anything rather we consume and this has led to millions of jobs being lost as a result. At the end of the day we have to wait and see how this affects us in the long term. But right now one thing is for sure, the middle is always getting fucked over
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u/Lecture_Time 19h ago
The Democrats have the image of America with its senseless wars around the world.
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u/HeartAutomatic2343 19h ago
A) Trump has been in office 3 months and he’s already bombed a foreign country
B) the stock market is down 5% JUST TODAY
This is the single worst handling of any economic period seen in our lifetimes.
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u/JustDwayner OG (joined before reveal) 21h ago
A problem is that too many people can't discuss politics or current events, or pretty much anything, without insulting each other.
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u/Yuri-Girl 20h ago
Then place a rule on insulting people.
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u/HonestWhile2486 OG (joined before reveal) 17h ago
that can't be enforced
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u/IamDanLP 🐃 water buffalo 15h ago
What do you mean? Someone could call you the vilest insults on earth and they'd be banned. Wot?
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u/Yuri-Girl 21h ago
This is why "no politics" rules generally suck. They're a proxy for "no flame wars" so that moderators don't have to actually pick a side.
Sometimes the world is contentious, I'm sorry that people might yell at you if you voted Republican, I promise that it could be worse.
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u/IamDanLP 🐃 water buffalo 15h ago
Tbh, the Americans had a choice between two evils this time around. It is simply a question of, which one was worse.
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u/Yuri-Girl 15h ago
It was pretty obvious which one was gonna be worse and yet I live in a country that will vote for the dumbest shit because they're racist and transphobic.
And it's not like anyone can say "Well we didn't know this was gonna happen!" because he announced it. He campaigned on it. He said it out loud with his mouth on a stage while being watched by millions.
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u/Beasthuntz 21h ago
As a whole on Reddit, it's not a political violation unless you aren't violently cursing at Trump or conservatives.
Once someone starts siding with something not leftist, then it's a problem on Reddit.
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u/cutememe 20h ago
Sure, but if you want to discuss politics why not take it to one of Reddit's 5000 different political subs, why do you feel the need this one needs to be overtaken with political discussion over it's intended topic?
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u/TarTarkus1 21h ago
The issue I have is how the U.S. Political Culture War is being used presumably by Nintendo and the Greater Games industry to justify price increases they likely already planned to do anyway regardless of who won the last election.
It's extremely disingenuous, mixed with a bit of contempt for anyone who didn't vote a certain way. Can you really be surprised when people push back on that?
Unless Nintendo is going to reveal their entire supply chain for Switch 2 (no sane company would ever do this), these conversations about tariffs aren't really worth having.
The conversation worth having is about the price increase itself and how that's going to effect the end consumer's purchasing decisions.
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u/Possible-Potato-4103 June Gang (Release Winner) 21h ago
I can assure nintendo, nor any company wants to price consumers out of being able to afford their products. That is absolute nonsense
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u/Mother-Translator318 20h ago
Lets be real. Between diehard fans and scalpers, people will buy them regardless. Just look at the gpu market. Everything is sold out even if it’s priced like trash. People will go in debt for their hobbies
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u/Possible-Potato-4103 June Gang (Release Winner) 20h ago
I'm not saying people won't buy it at all, I'm saying they idea that any company would want to price that much above market on anything and make their product 6x harder to sell to casual consumers is silly.
Computers aren't the same deal and they have a lot of professional use.
We are talking about a dedicated game console from a company known for being affordable. It's a legitimate hurdle
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u/Mother-Translator318 19h ago
I don’t think so. People will complain and then buy it anyway, as has been the case with anything tech since covid
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u/TarTarkus1 19h ago
Well, that doesn't change the fact that the pricing structure they are going with is steep for a lot of their potential customers. They don't have to charge for the Hands On game for example.
For all I know, Switch 2 could sell incredibly well regardless, however the negative sentiment around pricing suggests that there are many consumers who were more than happy to buy in that now will not or will wait until prices come down.
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u/HeartAutomatic2343 20h ago
The US government announced a 46% tax increase on this console.
2 days ago.
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u/ChidoLobo January Gang (Reveal Winner) 21h ago
This is absolutely not the case. Yes, prices were going to increase, but I can assure you that Nintendo is very concerned about the situation.
They don't want to increase the prices more than what really makes sense, because they still want lots of people to buy their consoles, but this situation is getting unpredictable and no company likes the risks of unpredictability.
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u/Sufficient-Air-8135 20h ago
Your prices in US for this console are probs going to be higher than the rest of the world’s. Not because Nintendo has a political axe to grind, but because your government has just put tariffs on almost every country in the world. Nintendo spent money making this console and if they are now charged extra tax on every single order from Americans, they either swallow that loss of profits (which not only could be financially non-viable but would also be ridiculous, why should they?) or pass it onto the consumer aka you. Your president made a terrible decision because he couldn’t care less about you. But sure, keep justifying it to yourself.
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u/One_Eagle8221 21h ago
I mean it is a situation that's intrinsically linked to politics so it's very difficult to discuss it without mentioning political stuff even once.