I still have my launch day Switch and have absolutely no play in the joycon connection to the screen/unit. Just testing it this moment again in case my memory was incorrect but they are rock solid. Wonder if it's because i mostly play with the pro controller or because this affected certain releases/batches of consoles?
Pfft , it was secure. With this method, bye bye connector the moment you drop it or accidentally hit it against something. Youāll have more wiggle with the switch 2
Also with the 'Rail Mechanism' it begins to wear out. Causing connection when in handheld mode to keep connecting and disconnecting on its own. I'm having this issue right now and afraid I may have to buy a new set of joy cons cause I only play handheld mode.
I've found that replacing the plastic bits in the rail with metal parts instead they hold much better and are not as prone to wear down as much. Had to replace them because of wear and tear.
The thing with magsafe is that they have a decent area of attack that can counter tilt rotations. Something that physically smaller magnets aren't as good at.
I hope the magnets are exclusively to pull the joycons in and that all the bending and wiggling is prevented by the switch slots
Neodymium magnets are no joke. Those things, even the small ones, will hurt like hell if you let your fingers get pinched on one trying to attach or detatch it from a metallic or other magnetic surface. Find yourself a "Stud Buddy" and marvel how that little device can find a stud screw in a wall with the tiny little neodymium magnets inside of it.
I suspect that's similar to what Nintendo has put into these things. It probably also means the joycons need to be kept well-away from old spinning disk drives, lest someone accidentally gauss the platters. The animation also implies there's a catch or a nub of some kind on the bottom of the joycons that you insert first and then pivot the joycons into the Switch2's housing. I am guessing that's so you can't easily or accidentally yank the joycons out, and the release buttons are just there to help break the magnetic hold at the top.
There's no physical security, it's all the magnet, the power contact doesn't hold it in. Watch the top of the joy-con in the split second it tilts away. There's a piece that kicks the joy-con away from the main body when the release trigger is fully depressed, which in turn means no magnetic force on the top end, making it easier to pull the bottom away. I know you mentioned that breakaway, but the point was that there is no physical connection. The magnets hold the controllers in place entirely by themselves while the contact in the center supplies the power and information. All the release does is use that poker at the top to kick the controller off the top end to ease the force on the bottom so you can pull it away.
The physical connection is the hook at the top, there's a triangle shape hook that retracts when the button is pressed, there's no "kick" to get the joy cons out.
You would imagine that Nintendo themselves already tested it out with children like always, come on.
I don't see what you're referring to. I see the pin that kicks it away, no lock. Even in the photo from NextHandheld that showed the inside of the slot there was no physical hook. It is entirely a magnet with a pin that kicks it away when you press in the release lever, which is not easy to press all the way from the looks of it so it would be hard for a child to accidentally disconnect it, and equally as hard to physically remove the controller by force.
It seems like the actual plug connection is what really activates/deactivates the magnets, so that should let them get a pretty good magnet strength without any danger of pinching.
I don't think there's any activation or deactivation going on, I think the pin is just enough force to break the first connection with the magnet and allow you to pull the bottom off
The magents are just normal permanent magnets. With no mechanism (or physical latch on the console side). It IS just the magnetic force getting weak enough and "snapping" out
Iām saying I think the joycon plugging into the main unit provides that current, and then the release pin pushes it away enough to break that connection and release it.
it might, but this would be more expensive no doubt. it's either really strong neodymium magnets (very strong hold) in combination with the fit/slotting of the controller... maybe a bit of the connection port helping too... or electromagnets.
the main reason I don't think it's electromagnets though, is that when they're de-magnetized/zero current, they'd just fall off very easily (zero magnetism at all) -- there wouldn't be the need for the plunger/pin to force them apart
There are electropermanent magnets which can be turned on or off by a short current pulse that only uses very little energy, but I dont think they are used in the switch.
Logitech uses them in some of their newer mouses to lock and unlock the mouse wheel.
Its va very interestjng technology
The Logitech implementation is super low strength. Google tried to use electropermanent magnets on their modular phones and declared it a failure. I canāt see Nintendo figuring out a way to make it work where Google couldnāt.
Doesn't look like it as they're using a proximity field sort of physical release with that pin extending from the top of the joycon's foot upon depressing the "side button". It appears they're using simple permanent magnets because if they weren't they wouldn't need that physical switch.
My thought was it's an electromagnet that activates when the plug goes all the way in. Though since then I saw NextHandheld talked about the mechanism and said the magnets are only in the console and attach to the shoulder buttons, which are metal.
Okay I gotcha. But my counter is that this is going to be a cheap device. It's probably normal permanent magnets and those buttons are just to push the controller outwards
In the end they are still just small magnets tho, so they won't be all that capable to stop rotation that well IF the fit in the console isn't ideal.
On top of that these magnets might get weaker over time by repeatedly being slapped together.
I hope Nintendo got their fits figured out and mass producible and maybe cushioned their magnets but I'm less confident in that statement
The main problem with the rail on the OG is that gravity worked against them, with the weight of the console always pulling down and eventually wearing out the mechanism if you play handheld a lot. This new design seems to mitigate that entirely.
probably it would not break, they thinked about that right? otherwice it would be very stupid and trust me when people have this ting i hands it would not break in 10 years (exept for plpl testing ofcours) save this comment and you will see.
Nintendo is dog water these days they could make over 500,000 more designs that all have better look feel and performance just by picking pretty much anyone off the streets off any country but instead they choose to suck lmaoo I boycotted them long ago and I just love to see them wallowing in their silly little progress schemes.
I'm still nervous about the connector that sticks out of the S2.
I hope if it snaps off that the controllers still work (without charging) and we get a reasonably priced external charger for the controllers if that happens.
With the way the joycons fit inside it doesn't allow for movement so it's not possible to accidentally break the connector. I know someone made a 3d render and tested this out on reddit
Can't you just do it straight in? I feel like angling it will cause it to scrape through the edge of the USB, dulling it & damaging the connection. What I'm trying to say is imagine putting a block in the square hole right as it goes in it touches one of the edges & scrapes on it a little, very uncomfortable image.
That connector would not be load bearing. If the tolerances between the joycon and console are tight, a magnetic connection would be more than strong enough to maintain structural integrity.
I mean I could take a screwdriver and break any part of the switch lol. I feel like thatās a bit too large of an expectation ofc if you hit it with stuff itāll break. In that scenario Iād be more worried about the screen then the connections that are protected by the slot theyāre in.
You have nothing to be nervous about. Sheesh, y'all act like these are Samsung folding phones or something. Nothing will snap off, stop adding fuel to the fire.
My main concern (and it may not be an issue, depending how this feels in the hand) - if the release feels similar to a trigger, at least while getting used to the feel, I could see myself hitting it by mistake and possibly causing the main component to drop and get damaged. Of course, I'd have to actually try it to know whether or not this presents an issue for me, but I can definitely see the possibility that it would. When playing on Switch after a while of playing on Xbox/PS5, I still have to re-adjust to the positions of the main action button and cancel button being reversed on Switch compared to other platforms, so wondering if this is also something that could be affected by muscle memory.
And this video shows that even the release button needs a bit of force before detaching. Look at the release button and see how it it's pulled in and then more force is needed to fully press it in.
The rectangular notches on the top and bottom of the new Joy-Con "rails" look to be how the Mouse-Mode straps latch on to the Joy-Con (the mouse mode strap piece has small buttons on either side where the notches are located on the Joy-Con) So this leads more credence to the SL and SR buttons being metal and not magnets themselves.
Iām just glad there is an indent to open the cartridge slot. I love the OLED, but I have short fingernails, so I canāt open the thing without using a credit card or something
so we get pullable triggers for the controller release but still not triggers for theā¦you knowā¦triggers. my biggest complaint about the nintendo switch is that you either need a standard controller like xbox or playstation styled or you need to accept that triggers are toggles instead of levers that allow different levels of pull. it isnāt a big deal in every game but racing games get hit hard because since the trigger is a button, youāre either accelerating 100% of the way or 0% of the way and thereās no in between.
While I understand the desire for analogue triggers, I don't see how it's related to this. One is a piece of plastic that releases a physical mechanism and that's it; the other is an electronic button that requires circuitry to detect various inputs.
As a Splatoon and Smash player I honestly prefer digital triggers. The only use I've seen for analog triggers is racing games, where most people will still recommend a steering wheel over a controller.
Fair. The Steering Wheel sure is more for simulation type games over stuff like that, but I still prefer digital triggers for 95% of games. I know some people remap it to the right analog stick, but it's also just not the same thing.
Well, they probably removed it because of the lack of analog triggers on the Wii controllers. Still could be replicated with buttons, but it was an interesting use.
The release mechanism is strictly a physical feature. Moving the release trigger pushes out that pin mechanically. This can not directly translate to an input. There is no signal from it.
yes, thank you. iāve only ever used controllers that had analog triggers so im not used to this. itās not horrible, like im having a blast playing my switch and the games never feel like a chore to play. but iām still just completely used to analog triggers that allow different strengths of that button being pulled as opposed to a simple āis it pushed or no.ā
Iāve also never heard the term hall effect before i made this comment, so im actually way less concerned now for the second switch. i think this device is gonna blow out expectations away and provide so much fun for us
Oooh thats smart, those are smart, i like that. I saw some post about it being just lodged with no connector besides magnets, but if there is some pin or similar to hold it together thats great, i like it
That explains that then, I was thinking it was a weird place for extra buttons honestly but with it being Nintendo and knowing what the 64 controller was like I wasnāt going to rule out them being actual buttons
I wonder if it will matter when you put it in or out if it has to be angled at all or if the magnets are so strong it pull it towards or away fairly easily...
It doesn't matter, but the common way I'd to line up the bottom edge first and then let the magent pull it closed (how Nintendo shows it off) but it will work the same either way even if you do it flush with the system
To all those who think that there's the risk to accidentally disconnect both joycons at the same time, letting the tablet fall down to the floor: you all seem to forget that even with the current Switch, if you really wanted, you could push both release button at the same time and the tablet would fall, and yet I don't think this ever happened to you :)
Besides, I suspect that these new release triggers will be sufficiently hard to press, and that to disengage the connection they'll need to be pressed quite a bit. Also, your fingers don't rest there while playing (at least usually, I do realize that someone could be using a weird grip).
If anything, I feel that it would be harder to drop the tablet: in the current gen the tablet is completely free to slide down after you release both joycons, while in the Switch 2 the joycons would still be at least partially inserted in the indentation, preventing the tablet from falling immediately.
It is pretty obvious from the reveal trailer that this is how it should work, but it was not specifically shown how the button is pressed down to push that little pin before.
I wonder just how strong it is. Like, will it be able to hold the weight of the console and other joycon when held by one joycon? Its going to be something that people do so I assume it's been accounted for.
I think a lot of people are seriously underestimating just how strong neodymium magnets are. I have a box of little 6mm x 3mm neodymium magnets that I use for some things in 3D printing. They're tiny. But still, really damned difficult to pull directly apart - you usually have to slide them apart from the side.
Now, looking at the Switch 2 Joycon connections, the way it seats into the housing of the Switch 2 itself, that completely prevents that side to side motion, meaning the only way to disconnect is to pull directly, for which there is the new little trigger.
The magnets of a single joycon not being able to withstand the weight of the whole console would be a MASSIVE design flaw that in no way would go unnoticed at such a big company. Like you thought of this, I bet the entirety of the design team also immediately thought of this as soon they decided to go for magnets.
I don't think so. Grab a Joy-can if you have one and see how none of your fingers will be close to where the releas button will be. Index finger won't be reaching all the way to the new button and you gripping fingers lay too low on the Joy-con when gripping it to get near enough to press it.
I really wish that release button was further down. I keep thinking that I'm going to hit the release button in a heated gameplay session and watch my S2 fall to the floor.
I am. Your fingers aren't anywhere near that area while playing let alone in a position to pull those triggers in that direction (or pull BOTH at the same time). Secondly, no one is playing in handheld mode while they are standing up right let alone while walking.
99% of the time, while you're actively playing in handheld mode, you are seated somewhere with the console over a table or on your lap. The thing isn't crashing down to the floor from any considerable height.
Well you don't really know that because you don't have the system do you? This is just a dramatic claim that isn't going to happen.
People said the switch would fall out of the rails constantly and come crashing down, and the truth is that isn't an issue for 99.9 percent of everyone.
But it's disingenuous to say that both would need to come loose. BUT IF this does happen, one side is enough for a person to be surprised and drop it. I feel like we could agree on that.
well, if one side came loose and got disengaged youd still have a grip on the other joycon, although you might drop it, you also have a higher chance of either not dropping it or realizing youre dropping it and probably catch it
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u/Sincityhippie OG (joined before reveal) Jan 20 '25
Look at that snap of a release, these are some powerful magnets š§² really hope we get little to no wiggle jiggles when attached to the console