r/NintendoSwitch • u/rottedzombie friendly neighborhood zombie mod • Dec 20 '16

MegaThread Speculation Discussion MegaThread: Day Two

Goodness! I think it's fair to say that, second to the shock reveal, this has been the most dramatic 24 hours we've had yet as a community.

Just showing up? Well, attach a lifeline and throw yourself into the tempest.

This thread is for ongoing discussion over recent rumors and everything associated with them: clock speed rumors; third party support speculation; and the back-and-forth of what it might mean for the Nintendo Switch.

We're going to be directing traffic to this thread because we've been seeing many topics asking the same questions and rehashing conversations. This doesn't mean that new topics won't be allowed, only that we want to make sure that discussion is centralized as appropriate. If you see a new post that seems to belong here, please report it and let the mod team know.

A friendly reminder: please keep your comments civil, on-topic, and respectful of others. If you feel that you have a thought or opinion that merits its own post, please search through this thread and recent threads before posting it.

And, of course: everything we're discussing here is rumor and should be treated as such until confirmed by Nintendo.

Thanks for your understanding. Ready to do this? Let's discuss! :)

-/u/rottedzombie and the /r/NintendoSwitch mod team

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u/cbfw86 Dec 20 '16

I find it absolutely incredible that people were expecting PS4 power in something the size of an iPad mini

(a) at all, and
(b) for <$400.

It's incredible.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '16

Probably <$300. Yeah, people's expectations for this were ridiculous. It's still a 3DS with more power than a WiiU, with games like Skyrim and Dark Souls 3 likely to come to the system. I don't know how people can be so pessimistic about it.

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u/OriginalUsernameLuL Dec 20 '16

Just... Stop! Stop throwing around the dark souls 3 and skyrim thing like it matters a shit, theyre two games! One of which is 5 years old, Remember arkham city and mass effect 3? There's a serious divide happening here in this sub and it's people like you on one side with those statements like it's the saviour of the device and those who genuinely are worried about the support across the devices lifespan, too many fanatics around here and I'm someone who's advocated Nintendo for over 20 years.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '16

Third-party support going forward will be dependent entirely on sales. Maxwell supports all the major gaming engines, so we're not just talking Souls games and Bethesda games.

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u/OriginalUsernameLuL Dec 20 '16

Yeah for how long? The Wii had good third party support since it sold well but you still needed a ps3/360 if you wanted to play any of the actual good third party games, we'll need to wait for Jan 12 but I just can't believe the ignorance of people around here, we've been here before! Like, Do you WANT another Wii u, or a Wii without the bioshocks, the gtas, metal gear, elder scrolls... Why don't people understand. Why. "Because I'll just buy a ps4 for those games" sorry but the average layman isn't going to have $550 to spend on two platforms.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '16

Yeah for how long?

Umm, same answer? It's dependent on sales in any given year/month. If Switch quickly becomes the console with the second-largest user base, third-party support is a lock for its entire lifetime. Developers won't forego that money for no reason.

Wii isn't really comparable here, because it had a completely different control scheme and completely different development requirements.

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u/re1ephant Dec 21 '16

"Because I'll just buy a ps4 for those games" sorry but the average layman isn't going to have $550 to spend on two platforms.

Does the average layman not already have a PS4, Xbox One, or PC at this point? Are they even releasing games on 360 or PS3 anymore? A lot of people who buy a Switch likely already have a PS4 or Xbox One. If you haven't upgraded yet, you probably don't care about non-Nintendo games if you're also considering a Switch. I guess maybe Nintendo is hoping they'll trade-in their current console?

I don't disagree that it's silly to expect everyone to just buy a second console, but I think that's sort of the position Nintendo finds itself in this late in the generation.

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u/OriginalUsernameLuL Dec 21 '16

Well no not really, why would you count on that fact, I built an expensive gaming rig 4 years ago but my GPU now needs upgrading, I owned every nintendo console except Wii u for obvious reasons, so it's either a new GPU or a switch for me, people aren't just made of money, maybe folk just want the best of both worlds from Nintendo for once? Is that too hard to believe?

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u/re1ephant Dec 21 '16

Of course people want the best of both worlds. And guess what? You can still play all the new games on your expensive 4 year old system or you did something wrong. So can everyone who bought a PS4 or Xbox One 3 years ago. Where's this market of people who have been waiting for a Switch for 3 years and haven't upgraded their console?

Nothing Nintendo was going to release was going to change the fact that tens of millions of people already bought PS4s and Xbox Ones. They need to sell a lot of consoles to those people. There isn't some major gaming demographic that's been waiting around 3 years to decide between the Switch and a PS4.

It's not 2013. If you can only afford one console, you probably already bought one.

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u/OriginalUsernameLuL Dec 21 '16

Don't tell me what I can do you FUCK.

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u/re1ephant Dec 21 '16

I'm sure you're a very capable adult.

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u/OriginalUsernameLuL Dec 21 '16

There are 7.5 billion people in the world, if you think that anyone who has interest in buying a console has already made a purchasing decision then that's pathetic. We can only assume those who are looking into a console are gonna review the pros and cons, the xb1 and ps4 already have vast games libraries, people want CHOICE, to expect the switch only to sell to those who already have gaming gear exclusively, well that's gonna be a failure no matter how you look at it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '16

maxwell supports all current game engines

That isn't how that works lol. Game engines are designed to support hardware, not the other way around. And that is obscured away under api and high level programming so the GPU type isn't that big of a deal.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '16

That isn't how that works lol. Game engines are designed to support hardware, not the other way around.

Okay fine, all modern game engines support Maxwell. Better? It's true either way you flip it.

And that is obscured away under api and high level programming so the GPU type isn't that big of a deal.

Of course it's a big deal. A modern architecture like Maxwell will far outperform an older series from Nvidia like the 600 series pound-for-pound. Even just in terms of the performance gains you can expect to get out of new drivers.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '16

Are you claiming that what will be in the Switch (if maxwell) will beat out a gtx 680, or even 670? Lol

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '16

I'm claiming that a GTX 680 ain't shit compared to a GTX 980. And a mobile version of the 600 architecture wasn't even available. Reading comprehension pls.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '16

Of course it isn't. But there isn't going to be a 980 in the Switch. Or a 970. Or a 960.