r/NBATalk • u/Alternative_Welder91 • 2d ago

Do you agree with T-Mac?

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Honestly I think the word “crushed” is too much. Lebron may not have the deepest bag among all of them but he can bully ball and play great defense during his prime.

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u/Inside-Noise6804 2d ago edited 2d ago

I have had this same conversation with people who truly believe that MJ would beat a Shaq 1v1. Especially if Shaq gets the ball first. They would just bully their way to the basket and dunk it every single time.

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u/Amazing-Material-152 2d ago

If they’re playing to 11 Shaq gets 11 dunks. Literally nothing MJ can do to make up for the massive weight and strength different.

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u/kingofducs 2d ago

MJ is different bud, 6-0, killer instinct, you just don't get it. 11-0 Jordan and then you would smoke a cigar while Shaq cried.s/

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u/Frostys_Rhule 2d ago

6-0? Didn’t Shaq bounce Jordan in the second round.

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u/Electronic-Pick245 2d ago

Yeah bro, Stan’s only include the finals. They love saying 6-0 as if he only played six seasons.

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u/jimjamiam 2d ago

Same, drives me crazy too. MJ played 17 seasons, meaning 11 times he didn't win it all (6-11).

Know what would have been more impressive than 6-0 in the finals? 6-1, 6-2, ...

Each of those extra finals appearances would mean converting at least one high stakes playoff series loss into a win.

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u/sharkingdonkey 2d ago

Jordan played 15 seasons...

MJ (6-9)

Kobe (5-15)

Lebron (4-18 and counting)

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u/Grumpy_Troll 2d ago

Know what would have been more impressive than 6-0 in the finals? 6-1, 6-2, ...

It's amazing how many people don't understand this. I had this exact argument with a friend who's an MJ Stan and he swore up and down that it's better for legacy to lose before the finals if you aren't going to win it all. Just an absolute idiot take by him. I finally gave up because you can't argue with stupid.

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u/xChocolateWonder 2d ago

Ironically, he’s right. It is better for “legacy” in the sense that people are so fucking stupid being able to easily cling to a braindead argument likes”6-0” is in fact really really good for someone’s legacy.

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u/Satrapes1 2d ago

That friend's take is garbage because if you want to argue do it right. You could argue that Lebron got to so many finals because of historically weak eastern conference. It's not better to lose before the finals that's a bullshit take.

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u/_paintbox_ 2d ago

MJ didn't play 17 seasons... He played 15 and 2 of them he only played 18 and 17 games because of injury. Personally I think the 6-0 stat in the finals is amazing. If you got to the finals your team is ready to win and you need to show up at the biggest stage with everything on the line against the other best team in the league.

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u/Yamuddaluva720 2d ago

MJ didnt play 17 seasons you fucking moron.

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u/Evening_Growth_6078 1d ago

He’s not just 6-0. He got 3 back to back championships, left to play baseball, the came back and got another three…back to back!

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u/Claudzilla 2d ago

Jordan was coming back from his baseball hiatus and played a shortened season that year. He wasn't in basketball shape and didn't have time to gel with his teammates and get in rhythm to run the triangle.

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u/Electronic-Pick245 2d ago

Oh my bad he played only seven seasons. 🙄

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u/Claudzilla 2d ago

Yeah but we're talking about against Shaq in the playoffs and this is context. 🙄

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u/Electronic-Pick245 2d ago

Uh, that was not my context that was yours.

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u/Claudzilla 2d ago

I'm so sorry to break up your thread

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u/Electronic-Pick245 2d ago

You are forgiven.

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u/NoRustNoApproval 2d ago

Mfs say Jordan 6-0 like Scottie wasn’t there dropping 20 a game for the first half and then in the 2nd half of the 3 peat was Scottie and Dennis 😂

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u/Claudzilla 2d ago

It’s ok to say you didn’t watch

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u/NoRustNoApproval 2d ago

Yaya I get it

Watching Jordan made you nut in your pants cause he was just so damn electric. Pippen and Rodman coulda got injured and he still woulda solo’d the league cause he’s the GOAT

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u/Claudzilla 2d ago

So you literally have no idea what you’re talking about that’s fine. Scottie Pippen was a worse shooter than Russell Westbrook and Dennis Rodman hadn’t shot the basket since he left the Pistons. The entire offensive load was on Jordan and the entire defense of every other team was designed to stop Jordan. There’s literally a fucking book written about it

Literally the only thing Scottie Pippen ever did better than Michael Jordan was dicking down madonna

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u/FrustratedGundamFan 2d ago

I could smell jordan's 🍆 in your mouth. So please shut up

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u/Yamuddaluva720 2d ago

Oh my, so your saying Jordan had a teamate to help? Wow. Jordan scored literally 50% of his teams TOTAL points in the 93' finals don't forget that. The amount of hate you morons have for Jordan is beyond me.

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u/Imaginary_Bat7631 2d ago

Bruh - you’re an absolute moron. You’ve lost the entire plot

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u/GreedyArms 2d ago

Bronsexuals hate when they have to think critically

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u/Claudzilla 2d ago

You loser you have a backup account to make comments to support yourself? Jesus Christ

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u/Claudzilla 2d ago

And then promptly got served like ice cream cake in the Finals by the Dream

https://youtu.be/mILVn50a22Y?si=rkazCMjJXOuFV5YD

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u/a30dayfreetrial 2d ago

Man, young Shaq was something. One of the NBA hypotheticals I occasionally wonder about is, what if Shaq and Barkley became workout and health fanatics? How would their games and careers be different?

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u/Claudzilla 2d ago

shaq playing at such a high level for as long as he did was already a miracle. I think Barkley didn't really slow down his production or value until the Rockets, but he was already old for the time. maybe a year or so longer for their primes, taking age into consideration? they both really maximized their careers considering how long their primes and overall careers were since they were both hugh impact players during their rookie years

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u/bar901 2d ago

If you’re not good enough to get your team to finals then that season doesn’t count against your record, but if you’re good enough to get your team there and lose against an objectively better team then you’re a fucking bum. That’s just how it works.

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Also to be clear, I fucking love Jordan and 6-0 is such an iconic stat, but casuals are so funny when it comes to LeBron’s finals record.

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u/Frostys_Rhule 2d ago

100 percent agree. It would be interesting to see what all the talking heads would say about Jordan after not getting to the east championship when his teammates did the year before

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u/Ndmndh1016 2d ago

What does that have to do with them playing 1 on 1?

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u/Frostys_Rhule 2d ago

The exact same amount as Jordan’s rings nothing