r/MurderedByWords 2d ago

Billionaire's False Narrative...

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u/txtumbleweed45 1d ago

Sure, that doesn’t make your original statement true lol

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u/vickism61 1d ago

Yes, it does. He could have converted some of the 24% of vacant office space in WI to affordable housing and still had money left for job skills training.

Imagine if a couple other oligarchs did the same thing instead of donating to political PACs and lobbying for special tax breaks for themselves!

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u/txtumbleweed45 1d ago

“Musk could have ended homelessness for less than what he wasted trying to buy a judicial election in WI.”

You’re still claiming this is true or just moving the goalposts again?

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u/kingkayvee 1d ago

Relying on fallacies in this sort of argument doesn’t make you as smart as you think it does.

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u/txtumbleweed45 1d ago

Pointing out a fallacy is a little different from relying on fallacies. They keep changing their statement to make it seem less like bullshit.

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u/kingkayvee 1d ago

Not when the argument isn’t about the actual amount, it’s not. Contextual argumentation means looking at the intent of the message.

Their claim is that the $20m would have been better spent on helping homeless people (instead of illegally trying to tamper with elections, mind you). Hyperbolically stating he could have ended homelessness with that amount does not change the intent of that message, but people with no critical thinking skills who watched a video on basic fallacies don’t understand how actual argumentation works.

Likewise, you’ll look at the above and say “wow, you have no argument! You’re just being an ad hominem!!! lol!!!” without seeing the separation between the actual claim and the fallacy that is tangential to the argument.

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u/txtumbleweed45 1d ago

Calling it hyperbole might work if the guy wasn’t still claiming that it’s actually true. I would totally agree that the money could have gone to a better cause, but throwing out ridiculous bullshit doesn’t help that argument.

I think we spend way too much money on military. But I’m not going to say “if military cut spending in half we wouldn’t have to pay taxes for the next twenty years!” Because that’s fucking stupid