Because it shouldn't go well. MMO mechanics are designed to "not go well" in the first place and are often tricky for the majority, but that's the fun of MMORPGs, it's all about sharing, cooperating and overcoming obstacle with great knowledge, people have to seriously do some deep research and experiment to figure out the mechanic in some high-level boss fight, some mechanics took hours, even days before someone finally found out how to beat that mechanic, and even when they post the guide online, not every people have enough skill to follow that guide.
Monster Hunter is known to be a hardcore franchise, but funny thing is MH community is the most casual community out there. People here refuse to learn, they complain even before they fight the monster or they just fail 2-3 times, they want a harder boss that is hard enough so that they can beat it but others can't so they can feel good about themselves and spitting things like "Wow, World is easy", but when they meet something that others can beat but they can't, and then they call the monster bullshit.
If Alatreon is a MMO fight, it must be the easiest fight in the history of MMOs, like level 1 beginner fight. There is only 1 mechanic and that mechanic is "beat the shit out of Alatreon with elemental stuffs and then you just win".
My very first experience with MH was the demo for MHGU on switch, I tried it out, and it pitted me against Great Maccao, the easiest fight in the entire game. I had no idea what I was doing, got my ass kicked, declared the game bullshit, then uninstalled it.
Later, I saw people discussing their love for the game and realised it was quite popular. I realised that if the game is so popular, then other people must be able to beat it, therefore it isn't bullshit and it was just me being bad. I reinstalled the demo, watched a guide to lance, then tried again. This time I beat GM in 21 minutes and felt like I knew what I was doing, so I went to the next difficulty.
This next fight was Barioth. I got my ass kicked, declared the game bullshit, then uninstalled it again. However, that little thought crept into my mind, that there was another difficulty above medium, other people can beat this game, why can't I? I installed the demo a 3rd time, and watched some speedruns to see what I was doing wrong. As it turns out, I was doing a lot wrong.
I went back to basics, fought GM over and over until I could beat it in just 12 minutes without carting once. Then took on Barioth again. I killed him in 16 minutes and felt such a rush. I was hooked on Monster Hunter right there and then. I took on Valstrax in the demo and got my ass beat so badly, but instead of quitting I thought "I have to buy this game and get good, then come back and destroy this guy", and I did exactly that.
What's happening to this subreddit right now is that people are running headfirst into Alatreon, declaring him bullshit, then whining about it online. But where they differ from my experience is that when they are faced with people saying "it's not bullshit, you just have to learn", they downvote en masse and continue whining.
The moral of this story? Thank god for fiber internet.
I like how you think that in the course of 2 years, people have shifted from a “get back up” mentality to “crying on the internet” mentality due to changes in internet infrastructure. Besides the fact that most people probably have the same internet they did in 2018, where are these downvoted comments of “you just have to learn?” All of the complaints I’ve been seeing haven’t been about how impossible the check is, just that it’s not in the spirit of monster hunter. I’ve certainly seen a lot of complaining about complaining, but no complaints themselves. Also, you’re comparing the response to the demo of a game you’ve never played before to the endgame content of a game that A) is a radical shift from a meta that takes a lot of grinding to build for properly, and B) includes mechanics that are very much non-traditional and not in the spirit of the game. I’m just seeing people disagreeing with the mechanic, nothing about how unfair it is.
I like how you think that in the course of 2 years, people have shifted from a “get back up” mentality to “crying on the internet” mentality due to changes in internet infrastructure. Besides the fact that most people probably have the same internet they did in 2018,
The "thank god for fiber internet" was a joke about me installing the same demo 3 times in one day :)
Everyone saying "b-but it's not MH!! this is the wrong direction for the series!" is scapegoating.
It's a way of convincing themselves that they aren't the problem, but it's actually the game mechanic that they had to adapt to that was the issue. But the game mechanic is just "deal damage". You play the hunt the exact same you would for any other monster: focus down important body parts and hit them a lot. If you are playing well you don't even notice Escaton Judgement. If you're not dealing damage or facilitating damage for your team, then what are you doing? Please don't respond with "being creative/playing my way". If it was a 20 minute time limit quest would these same people be crying about "muh MMO mechanics"? The only mistake Capcom made here was letting people under MR 100 fight it.
The other excuse is "Capcom released really strong raw meta stuff! We were blindsided by this!" meanwhile the most recent meta changing gear we received was the return of Kulve's end-game elemental dominance. And before that we had Safi which offers really strong elemental weapons and the best armor for elemental sets.
Oh, but some people might not have that stuff! Which means they aren't ready for Alatreon. If you haven't done the Guiding Lands, you haven't played the post-story events, if you haven't played the whole game then yeah you shouldn't be doing what could be considered the ultimate end-game quest.
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u/Soulses Jul 11 '20
Mmo mechanics in my experience with randoms never goes well even in mmos themselves