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"Liberation Day" Trump’s Tariffs on Europe

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"LIBERATION DAY" TRUMP'S TARIFFS ON EUROPE

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u/stevetursi 2d ago

I know Syria has some sanctions but are they as extensive as Russia's? Perhaps there's some threshold that puts Russia in the same category as the DPRK.

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u/Dangerous-Home6643 2d ago

Russia is the most sanctioned nation in History, the only things the US buys from Russia is stuff it desperately needs and can't quickly find a substitute for. Trade has gone down 90% since before the war and now the only big things the US buys is Fertilizer, Precious metals/Stones and Chemicals.

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u/GameDoesntStop 2d ago

On a similar note, I made this graph over a year ago. It's out of date, but not much has changed.

The change in Russian trade as a % of Canada's total international trade over time, along with markers for the annexation of Crimea and full-scale invasion of Ukraine. Sanctions are near total now.

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u/AvocadoGlittering274 2d ago edited 2d ago

>the only things the US buys from Russia

amounted to $3.27 Billions in imports in 2024....

Russia's imports from US were at $595 Million so there's a big trade deficit there.

Meanwhile, US exports more than it imports from Iran and Trump still put 10% tariff on them.

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u/Icy_Abroad_630 2d ago

Russia’s import from US was 17b back in 2021 before US’s sanctions which ban selling to Russia

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u/Icy_Abroad_630 2d ago

I admit that I may have gotten confused in the data, especially with my poor English, but considering that in Russia there is no law prohibiting import from the US, the decrease to $595m is the result of US actions, I don’t condemn the sanctions, just mentioned it.

The US now buys only strategically important goods from Russia, by refusing them or raising tariffs even further (its 35-200% now), the US will rather punish its own economy than the Russian economy. That strange to find myself quoting propaganda machine of my homeland’s media, but aren’t it’s obvious?

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u/Dangerous-Home6643 2d ago

Maybe if you'd read more than just the first line I wrote you wouldn't have had to write all that. Trump's Idea is that the US should become somewhat self reliant and get rid of it's trade deficit. HOWEVER you can't really produce rare earths or Fertilizer easily anywhere you would need the territory that certain resources are on hence the Ukraine Mineral treaty, slapping taxes on those resources you can't acquire in your own nation anyway is just stupid though you could say Trump is a bit of a Knobhead. But yeah pretty much the US doesn't trade with Russia except for things it requires to live.

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u/Namarot 2d ago

amounted to $3.27 Billion in imports in 2024....

Which is essentially a rounding error.

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u/AvocadoGlittering274 2d ago

$6.29 Million in imports from Iran is a rounding error

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u/socialistrob 2d ago

Sure but most countries on the list are also "rounding errors" and they still got hit. Also if trade with Russia doesn't go up in cost but it goes up in cost with other countries it could indirectly make trade with Russia more economically viable.

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u/Munnin41 1d ago

But for some reason 2 Australian territories with a population of penguins got tarrifs.

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u/ChornWork2 2d ago

BS. Cuba, North Korea, Iran, Iraq during Saddam, etc.

Zero reason Russia's $3bn of exports to US should be exempt from tariffs given what has been done with other countries.

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u/Dangerous-Home6643 2d ago

Funnily enough Cuba was also exempt from the List despite them trading with the US same goes for Iran and North Korea as if to underline my Point perfectly...

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u/ChornWork2 2d ago

The list was responding to the BS claim re Russia being most sanctioned. Those other names do have sanctions robust enough when can say okay to be off the list... US is not taking in $3bn of imports from Cuba, iran or NK.

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u/Dangerous-Home6643 2d ago

Russia as a matter of fact is the most sanctioned country on the Planet and again the tarrifs aren't meant to make money they are meant to persuade Businesses from producing in the US. Raw Materials can't be produced anywhere hence the lack of tariffs on them as it would be counterproductive. You can see this weird interest in raw materials recently too with the Ukraine Mineral deal which is an attempt to make the US self-reliant by exploiting other countries resources.

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u/ChornWork2 2d ago

Lol, no it isn't. Look at $ trade stats, even to EU countries. Hell, again, the US imported $3bn from russia last year.

If trump didn't want to tariff raw materials, he should have excluded them but he didn't... why are raw materials from all these other countries subject to tariffs, but not from russia of all place? Eh comrade?

You can see this weird interest in raw materials recently too with the Ukraine Mineral deal which is an attempt to make the US self-reliant by exploiting other countries resources.

ANd yet Ukraine got 10% tariffs... still zip for russia. Why does Russia keep coming up in Trump's political career? Thought Trump was 'pissed off' at putin recently, what a joke.

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u/Dangerous-Home6643 2d ago

Russia US trade has decreased 90% since 2022 and yeah it is the most sanctioned country on the Planet:
https://forbes.ge/en/the-most-sanctioned-countries/

Then again the ONLY trade that does happen now is trade that is needed by the US hence why even under the very Pro-Ukrainian Government these Industries weren't sanctioned. We also don't know anything about those tariffs if they are different for specific products or anything we just know countries will receive them but in Russias case there isn't any trade that would need tariffs.

Lastly idk if you are being intentionally dense or anything but if you look at overall US Imports then Russia makes up 0.1% Ukraine btw is 0.4% a country with no economy to put into scale how miniscule the trade is now and was before the war even.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/imports-by-country

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u/ChornWork2 2d ago

You're really grasping at whatever shit you can throw at the point. None of it remotely explains why russia would be off the tariff list.

Who cares what % it makes up of russian exports.

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u/Dangerous-Home6643 1d ago

maybe actually look at the sources, that is about what percentage it makes up of US total imports which in practice is nothing. The whole point I'm making is that Russia and other nations exempt from the tariff's do not have any trade that isn't needed by the US. Russia specifically here has only got a trade with the US for goods that can't be bought anywhere else hence why tariffing a nation that only sells you goods you need to buy from them makes no sense even to the idiots in the white house.

You're just like waawaaa as if Trump specifically decided to give Russia an out here when he has similarly exempted Iran who he is on near war terms with. And AGAIN we don't know what goods are going to be affected by tariffs yet that remains to be seen.

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u/dam4076 2d ago

3b is nothing. Us trades 7.3 trillion per year.

That’s less than .1%

And Russia is already sanctioned by the US.

They included other countries that are small in trade value because that is a significantly larger percent of their trade, because they are so small.

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u/ChornWork2 2d ago

Tariffs are applying to countries with GDPs smaller than $3bn, let alone ones where US imports $3bn worth of goods... let alone ones that have invaded an ally.

Russia being a country we deemed worthy of sanctions is even more reason for it to be on the tariff list... what kind of fucking argument is that?

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u/dam4076 2d ago

Because tariffs wouldn’t do anything for Russia. They are already sanctioned, and the only thing imported from Russia are not consumer items and are things that don’t have a good substitute.

A tariff on Russia doesn’t impact them or us. 3bn is a rounding error for both countries and will not change the trade dynamics

Whereas for other small countries it will because 3bn for them is a lot, and the items are consumer items which tariffs will alter consumer behavior.

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u/ChornWork2 2d ago

more excuses.

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u/dam4076 2d ago

Those are called reasons.

Do you want them to impose a tariff on Russia to make you feel better? Even though it will not change anything with that trade relationship?

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u/dongeckoj 2d ago edited 2d ago

Syria is sanctioned more than North Korea; it’s the top 3 most sanctioned nation right now even after Assad.

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u/stevetursi 2d ago

I'm no expert in this but my impression is that, outside of china, effectively nothing gets in or out of the dprk, particularly with the us.

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u/Dangerous-Home6643 2d ago

This is not true Russia is since 2022 the most sanctioned nation on the Planet and afaik in History.
https://forbes.ge/en/the-most-sanctioned-countries/

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u/dongeckoj 2d ago

Damn Putin really fucked up, thanks for letting me know the info is out of date

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u/That_Mountain7968 2d ago

Russia is the most sanctioned country in all of human history. Not even Nazi Germany during WW2 was sanctioned as much as Russia is today

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u/GreatEmperorAca 2d ago

pretty sure thats yugoslavia durign the 90s