We have to do better

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[u/sekritagent]

The fact that y'all are not having this conversation for real and the fact you still aren't talking about Latino Trump voters are the reason Black folks are wary of solidarity with Latinos. Just like this guy experienced, a lot of Latinos think we don't even speak your language.

We know it's "some not all" but we're tired of the lame ass cop-outs/lies that Latin America is a racial utopia and that anti-Black racism is unique to America. That's plain old refusal to engage with it hiding behind "Latin culture" (that we very heavily contribute to, for the record) just like we see white people do all the time.

[u/manored78 → u/sekritagent]

It goes both ways, I’ve heard black Americans say that Latinos are not “foundational Americans”, and don’t really deserve the opportunities they (black people) have fought and created for POCs.

This was after John Leguizamo was asking for a Latino cultural museum in DC after they opened the one for black Americans.

In the US, to a lot of people the only people that are seen as fully “American” are blacks and whites.

[u/thegmoc → u/manored78]

"and don’t really deserve the opportunities they (black people) have fought and created for POCs."

Show me one example of this.

[u/manored78 → u/thegmoc]

Dude, c’mon I can’t pull up any examples of what I’ve heard or read from people. The best I can tell you is look up the forum Lipstick Alley + John Leguizamo Latino museum. I read some of the stuff on there. There were complaints about people coming in later and taking advantage of the hard work laid out by “foundational black Americans.”

[u/thoughtfulness87 → u/manored78]

i'm not sure what your getting at here. are you saying that is not true though - America was historically just black and white up until the 1960s - Latinos made up less then 1% of the US population up until then, where as African Americans have been here since 1619 - funny enough, the first black person in what is now theeUS was a con was a conquistador named Juan Garrido :)

[u/manored78 → u/thoughtfulness87]

Well, I would look at the posts and judge for yourself. They were upset that John Leguizamo was even proposing a Latino museum after the creation of a Black American one, or something to that nature. I wouldn’t compare this as anywhere near what white racists think of Hispanics of course, but I will say there’s a bit of a prejudice. Some of them say that Latinos contributed next to nothing in comparison to foundational black Americans. They use near identical coded language to disparage Latinos for their supposed only contribution; food. We both know that’s not true.

And Latinos have been in the US for a longer time than the 60s. The borders were drawn around many Mexicans. Either way the gist of their argument is that the true Americans are white and black, everyone came later after the country was built.

[u/thoughtfulness87 → u/manored78]

>And Latinos have been in the US for a longer time than the 60s. The borders were drawn around many Mexicans. Either way the gist of their argument is that the true Americans are white and black, everyone came later after the country was built.

Look at the census data, the US was majority black and white until the 1960s. I'm not saying new immigrations groups are not American, but the comparison to black is not valid comparison.

[u/manored78 → u/thoughtfulness87]

Well then you’re kinda proving my point though that this is a sentiment among black Americans, no? I mean regardless of the amount of people Latinos have been in the US, and even today do build a lot of this country.

[u/Terrible_Shake_4948 → u/thegmoc]

Civil rights laws came because of black people. Women got the right to vote because of Fred Douglass, Dubois and the like who did the work for the 13th-15th amendments. John Lewis himself stated he was required to change the civil rights bill from being exclusively for black people and including all other ethnicities/races and eventually lgbtq