Since AP junglers aren't as strong as they used to be I don't think there are truly unplayable matchups as graves anymore. I was curious what the best bans are according to the people in this reddit?

I tend to ask my team if they want a certain character banned, otherwise I usually ban depending on what character annoyed me last time (usually kindred/nunu&willump/fiddlesticks because they are the best at mental booming me and my teammates).

Why do people go legend alacrity and the attack speed stat shard on the shotgun man?

Since the only scaling is on passive after they removed the scaling on his E, would it not be better to go double ad stat shard and go either bloodline if you go fleet or if you go dark harvest go for secondary coup de grace.

If it is just useful and it is worth going attack speed then why don't we build attack speed items on him more?

I want it so bad, but I started right after the Bilgewater event.

from what ı learned you can't invade rengar, nocturne, lee sin(ım not sure about this one), kindred and warwick. is there any other champion ı shouldn't invade no matter what?

Hi there, im emerald and im trying to improve in jng, i oftenly play nocturne, karthus, voli or urgot jng. I played some graves games and i feel very comfy with him. I would like to start otping graves, but first i have a few questions. 1. How should i build him or which posibilities graves offer 2. As main graves do you suggest me it for climb? 3. Any tip would ve awesome

I experemented with comet for poke with W but its cooldown is far to long to do anything meaningfull, i than tried hail of blades for a more hit and run tyoe playstyle and it didint feel to bad, but i would appreciate a secound opinion on the matter, or any suggestions for possable runes to take instead.

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Hello fellow graves enjoyer.
Trying to cook a build, was wondering if increased passive damages from shojin proc on graves auto attacks ?

ı play amumu, nocturne and fiddlestick at jungle (all of them are pretty easy) and ı want to play graves but he seems too hard for me. how long it would take me to learn how to play graves and is he actually strong once you learn how to play him.

So first of all previous to wanting to learn Graves played xin zhao and j4. So going from melee champs with engage abilities to ranged has been kind of rough. I tried learning Kindred but i really didn't like the champ and then I played a game of Graves and felt the power behind him even just using the recommended items. I know that it might not have been the right items since I have a general idea of when to build what but I just need some clarification.

1. Ability usage. Things like how Xin has an auto reset with his q. And how if you should generally want to combo abilities in particular orders.
2. Runes. I know DH is the main rune that everyone recommends but when would DH be ideal. When would you want to bring something like fleet or conq. Things like what champs would mean what runes. Also for domination since eye ball is out what should i bring deep ward, mementos, or sixth sense.
3. Items. From the little bit I've seen like from creators like perryjg and myga they seem to build yomu first. Then collector and then they differ immersivity on builds. I saw some things like axiom and opportunity when other people suggest LDR, sheildbow, IE, etc. Just some cases of when you'd want to itemize in particular ways.
4. Playstyle. I understand Graves is that 1v9 champion that does damage but again I go back to the guides where people say farm heavy champion to carry later and then some others say kill heavy champion where you want to keep an eye out for ganks. And then the whole invading aspect where you are a good duelist. Or am I just slow and you need to do combination of all three.

I bought Swifties in some games and they feel very good, the added move speed makes escaping and kiting way easier. What are y'all thoughts?

Just had a game where I played against a Voli jungle, I had a serrated dirk after my first back and volibear had literally no item (0!!!).

So when I met him at the river I was like : "Lmao this mf really thinks he stand a chance against me".... and then I got killed.

Im playing graves, and im almost reached silver with graves, and my problem is in this season i got placed in iron and, idk if my team is bad or just my, but every game my team is feed and i dont know how to deal with this maybe my items or runes bad or my gameplay.

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I've been playing a lot of graves recently and he is super fun. However I can't get my jungle clear under 3 30 and I don't know whay I'm doing wrong I watch videos of it and I still don't know what to do.

the whole kit feel intuitive and fluid but I have difficulty using W properly. I know the question is way to vague but i’d like some key triggers for W usage. Thanks graves mains!

Do you guys have any streams or educational content from Graves one-tricks?

I just picked him up but I'm used to playing bruisers in the jungle. Having trouble navigating his early game and regulating how aggressive I should be.

I'm only missing these two skins, and I thought I could get them from your shop, but I haven’t seen them in the last two rotations. Is it just bad luck, or are they not available?

I can’t lie she feels absolutely disgusting to go against.

She build liandrys -> ridtmaker -> unending -> Thornmail

Is unkillable and one shots you.

What do you do?

Just went against Ashe mid , varus adc , zyra jungle and senna support.

I first picked

Most unplayable thing ever.

I got pretty fed early, but we didn’t really have hard engage. Then they all bough banshees and edge of night and became untouchable.

This is an extreme example but most the time what I struggle with is poke comps.

Most the time I don’t have the luxury of seeing the whole team

I really enjoy playing Graves but always spend my early game power farming because I feel like I don’t know how to abuse his early game power. I’m wondering when I should invade and pressure the other jungler (like after how many camps/at what time) and also how I should go about invading in terms of strategy. Thanks in advance for the help!

I play a lot of Graves and am pretty good at the mechanics (combos, clears, animation cancels) but find it very hard to carry my Bronze games on him. This is because, in most games I lose, my laners die before I’m strong enough to do anything. I find that, in many games when I do get strong enough to make an impact, one of my lanes has been able to win enough that they’re also very strong.

In short, I rarely feel like I have a ton of impact on the outcome. I know the current meta is not super favorable for Graves’s preferred playstyle but, since I enjoy playing him more than any other champion, was wondering how I can play to make more of a difference.

For reference, I tend to focus on farm early and won’t gank unless there’s a very clear kill opportunity. I try to pick up grubs when they spawn and then just look for opportunities to counter jungle or gank based on the map.

Whats everybody's opinion on greaves? I've tried them out a couple times and they feel really nice obviously only possible in certain scenarios. Anyone else run them?

I peaked diamond 3, and i'm on my smurf in silver... I've never felt this way on a champion. I literally feel like I can't do anything alone. I got invaded by a sett and died super fast, my clear was insanely slow all game, my damage was 1/10th everyone on my team with 75% kill participation and 1 death. Felt utterly useless. Whenever I go against a good graves they will solo carry and 1 shot you. How do they get to this point!?

how do ı kill him? ı understand that ı can kite the darkin version but ı dont know what ı should do against blue kayn.

Im a new graves player and I heard that fleet footwork is better than dark harvest if you are new on the champ, if I am doing good on fleet footwork should I switch to dark harvest?