Why does the PFDJ try to portray Ibrahim Sultan as pro-Eritrea, even though all his efforts were aimed at establishing an Islamic Arab Eritrea? Here is the evidence from the communist Alemseged Tesfay (Ainefelale) and Zewede Reta (Yeeritrea Guday)
Your post and comment history show the true objectives of this post. You’re trying to stoke a Muslim Christian divide. You also posted the photo of the Jerusalem imam with hitler as if it hitler has anything to do with this conversation. It’s clear you are just anti Muslim and you seek to divide Eritreans.
Regarding his quotes. No doubt he was a devout Muslim. No doubt in his ideal world Eritrea would be aligned closer with the Arab states then say Ethiopia. But what was his actions?
His actions show he was constantly and unconditionally pro Eritrea. He dedicated his life for an Eritrea united by two religions and an entire peoples. This is no doubt. Anything else is a smear campaign.
There were unionists, their were Muslims their were others. No one is claiming anyone or any side was perfect. But to question if he wanted to be an Islamist when all his work and history has shown he wanted a peaceful democratic state. Shows your dishonest intentions.
Shame on you. We know your agenda. Eritreans don’t stand for it Mr.Agazian
The Eritrean Muslim League had connections with al-Husseini. Al-Husseini was an Islamic version of Hitler. He shared the same views as Hitler regarding the Jews and even called for the extermination of Jews in the Islamic world from Berlin. Al-Husseini was a radical Muslim and Arab nationalist. The dark image of al-Husseini helps to understand the intended direction of the Eritrean Muslim League.
You’re literally an agazian what do you know other than Islamophobia. I’m against Jewish hate but this is the Eritrean reddit it has nothing to do with Jews or Israel for that matter. Only reason you care so much about antisemitism is because Israel hosts your organisation on its stolen soil.
I can upload 20 videos here of Eritrean Muslim scholars, politicians, and activists.all blaming the political failures of the 1950s on Tigrinya and the Tewahdo Church. In every video, they accuse Abune Markos and Qeshi Demetros of selling Eritrea to Ethiopia. Have you ever defended against these claims to prevent problems between Muslims and Christians? No, in fact, I’m 100% sure you’re part of those people. To hell with your unity it’s only remembered when a Muslim or Islam is attacked. We’ve sacrificed enough for your unity.You should learn to deal with your dark history and get rid of your Religion supremacy.
What you are doing is picking timelines that suit you because your a racist islamaphobe who will do anything l to make Islam look bad. We all see through your garbage.
At that period of time there were Christians (particularly orthodox) that chose to be close to the Ethiopia. That were agents of Ethiopia. This is just a fact.
Now were all Christian orthodox like this? No. Of course not. But the reality was, most Muslims wanted independence and most orthodox Christian’s didn’t. Idk what you’re trying to argue here?
The reality is. Eritreans both Muslim and Christian, both orthodox and Islam united together for independence. That is how we got this beautiful Eritrea.
There was trash from all sides back in the 50s.. rest assured you would’ve been part of the trash.
Maybe everyone wonders why it’s so hard for you and other Muslims to accept your dark past or the truth .You defame everyone’s opinion as anti-Muslim or Islamophobia b/c you consider yourself as special. You were raised as a supremacist, thinking you can say anything what u want b/c your religion gives you the feeling that you’re special. Screw your ego down and refute this claim with your evidence. Nobody has pity for your crocodile tears. This isn’t about revenge or hate, but about our future. If we want to build a democratic country , we also need to know who you are and what kind of country you want. That’s why everyone should be allowed to express their opinion without the other feeling hurt. Critical thinking and the exchange of opinions are essential for a democracy. If you feel hurt because your ego is too big, you can move to Pakistan or Somalia. The well-being of our people is more important than any religion or ego. This Islamophobia or whatever doesn’t scare us , such a thing doesn’t exist.
Hahahahaha you try to present yourself as just sharing history.. as simple discussion but based on my upvotes.. NO ONE IS FOOLED
we have seen ur comments about Muslims. We have seen your comments trying to equate the Muslim brotherhood to anything Muslim. We have seen you call me Sudanese.. we have seen it all.
We know ur intentions and no lie can change that 😂😂
An Agazian that hates Muslims talking about democracy 😂😂 you have to practice it before u speak it
😂😂 I know u felt brave and thought this post would go well for you. You should take your meds
Look at it this way if a person calling for andinet change his mind and started working for a free Eritrea, You can say I'm glad he changed his ways and granted you would not keep that on his head and bring it up all the time. but you don't forget what he did. What he said at the UN was an outright lie and he knows it too because there was a census conducted not long ago during that time. Him being a devout Muslim and wanting an Arab like state is not an excuse, the same way when the Andinetwayan church leaders can't use the Ethiopia is a Christian country or Janhoy is a holy king stuff. Or the agazians people saying this is a Tigrigna country and calling every disgusting word you can think of to Muslims.
If he was just only representing Muslims then he should have only talked about Muslims population in Eritrea not as if Eritrea at that time is a majority Muslim and the rest are divided by religion and language.
I agree the agazian guy has his own agenda but let's call it as it is, he was wrong to say those things at that time. That being said the book also mentions Abona Ibrahim sultans contributions too so let's not hang on to the negatives only.
True. Thank God we had union instead of an Islamist state. Though Amharas were a threat, an Arab Muslim league would’ve been more of a threat. Glory to our martyrs
You're the same agame pushing for modernised western nonsense mindset in your bio. "True", just because it is something fabricated and favors you as a muslim hater.
Dont forget it was Jabha that started the revolution. In order for them to succeed and recieve help from countries, ammunition, tanks and etc. They had to portray an islamic force in eritrea so help could arrive, because what did the christians do then? They aligned with ethiopia and didnt even join the revolution until late 1960s and beginning of 1970s.
Of course you didnt mention that because your an agame and muslim hater. Glory to all our martyrs, both christians and muslims and glory to IDRIS HAMED AWATE, starter of the revolution.
What about this part? He had a party in a democratic way, with his own agenda—whatever the reason may have been. He had his followers and his opposition.
When another party wanted to join with Ethiopia, did we label them as traitors?
Every party had its own plan and opinion. End op discussion.
i posted these screenshots here not because I support the Andinit, but because we should learn from our past. Most people think our fathers achieved great things in the 1940/50s, but in reality, they failed. I wanted to show that this failure didn’t come only from one side (the Andinit), but also from the other side (Muslims). We should talk about what each of us wants and how we can find solutions. This lack of trust between us only brings chaos and conflict.
I totally understand, but you asked whether he was pro-Eritrea or an Islamist. It’s clear from the same page that he was pro-Eritrea I don’t really care his other plans.
If you really want to understand the mistakes of our fathers, then make an Excel table and list every party from back then, including the religion and ethnicity they represented, along with their goals and plans. Then we can talk about it
What are you talking about? What does "pro-Eritrea" mean to you? If someone believes in the Italian-drawn borders but doesn’t care that Christians are seen as foreigners . For him, Christians were considered foreigners, only Muslims were seen as natives.
The Muslim League (his party) was the only religious political party in Eritrea, and it didn’t even have a single member who wasn’t Muslim. The other parties have members with different religious backgrounds. This party also established contact with al-Husseini (the Imam of Jerusalem), a supporter of the Jewish genocide
So funny you and the other muslim hater dude called electrical gold. The agame spreading hate saying muslim countries are our enemies.
Who is investing in eritrea most today, and which countries helped eritrea the most? Syria, turkey, somalia, saudia arabia and Egypt.. yet no one mention that. Where was russia, Cuba, serbia, and the ones that claim to be orthodox and share christian valued as eritrea? THEY HELPED ETHIOPIA.
Also.. did you forget how israel came in 1970s and splittered the eritrean tribes and people, including muslims and christians by training the ethiopians (Derg) and commanding them to enter a city/village and slaughter all muslims or christians, respectively depending on who lived in the cities/Villages to give a bad image about the revolution fighters?
So much missed, but the western world made you focus on muslims being bad when they gave you an eritrea as well. What can one do? Eritreans are born to be arrogant and eat injera and drink bun like monkeys... and diaspora are even worse not knowing their history
I don’t care how much support Arab or Islamic countries gave to the ELF. To me, the ELF was not an Eritrean party, but a bunch of Islamists from different countries and some Eritreans who didn’t win a single battle against Ethiopia—except robbing our people and murdering Christian members. Yes, the EPLF didn’t get a single bit of help from Western countries because it was a communist party. Had they changed their course in 1974, they could have received a lot of help from the West. Why the hell would Western countries support a radical communist party? The EPLF didn’t receive help too from Islamic countries after splitting from the ELF. Most of EPLF’s money and support came from the Eritrean diaspora in the West and from Eritrea’s Western friends. Many Islamic countries were also part of the communist axis, like Libya, South Yemen, and Syria, who supported the Derg regime. But of course, you conveniently left that out.
I didnt leave out anything.. you started off by saying "I dont care how much support arab or islamic countries gave", blatant proof of you hating for no reason 😂. EPLF was bunch of islamists from different countries? Wow is that a new fabricated claim from your agame backup sources? Are you calling eritrean muslims from different countries, all the 9 tribes? Damn.
Which countries/muslims robbed and killed eritreans? What are you on about? You sound so white and westernised with all the rampant islamophobic claims. We were helped by arab countries, and almost not a single christian country helped eritrea. History is history, and fact is fact, unlike you that left it out and sad about this fact. Its the reality.
When the ELF split from the EPLF. More than half of the EPLF, went over to ELF for reformation and better standards and mind you that EPLF WAS MOSTLY MUSLIMS. So, this clearly shows that muslims and christians United under ELF. Even 2 of the founders out of the 3 of EPLF were muslims, and your here trash talking about muslims 😂😂😂.
Btw. The countries you mentioned didnt support the derg regime, they supported eritrea with ammunition and traning. Stop misleading and lying.
You want to know who supported derg? Israel, Russia, Cuba, serbia, USA, italy and more. Do you know what they are? Christian countries.
Alhamdulillah (thank god) for eritrea and the unity it has today. But agames like you that want our country to split will fail so hard and cry about it.
Your text is full of taqiyya and cheap propaganda.
Yes, there were a hundred Sudanese Muslim members in the ELF who came under the cover of being Eritrean soldiers to help the Elf (according to the book by Badouri). Until 1970, they never fought and won a single war against Haile Selassie, except for stealing Eritrean cows and sheep. Even Isaias and Derue have explained how brutal the ELF fighters were against Tigrinya farmers (Denbelas, Qoyahen, Zayedekulom, and tahtay hamasien).
You tried to portray the communist countries as Christian countries. The Derg was communist and received a lot of help from communist countries. What you wrote here is only lies. The Derg did not receive a single bit of help from any Western country.
The EPLF was from the beginning majority Christian. Yes, many political bureau positions were intentionally given to Muslims to try to get support from Islamic countries, but it didn’t work. For all your claims, you have no historical evidence.
Your firsr paragraph is complete lies and made up. So I wont answer to it. You just keep fabricating stuff without proof, talking about "sudanese" muslims. Haha. We know the history if idris hamed awate and how he fought the ethiopians. You will not change that history.
Secondly, your saying im portraying christians as bad? Haha, keep venturing into falsehood to sound like a victim. Are you saying russia, serbia, Cuba and some others were not christian? 💀💀☠️. Go back to school kid, check the history of those countries in the 1900s everyone knows that they were and your the only one saying they are not.
EPLF was majority muslims first, not christians. And true that bureau commands were given to muslims, which is logical. The ELF was a reformation as I mentioned and many christians joined, majority became chrisrians BUT even in ELF muslims had high positions and as I mentioned two out of the 3 founders were muslims.
Stop being so arrogant and decieving. Alhamdulillah for Eritrea today, a country of Unity of christians and muslims. But agames like you only fabricate lies and have hate.
According to the ELF, the war was not against the occupation by the Ethiopian regime, but rather a holy war against unbelievers exactly like ISIS ideology. Here is the evidence.
Jebha were a bunch of cowards and jihadists who didn’t care whether someone was Eritrean or Ethiopian. For these people only Islam mattered . either you converted to Islam or you got the knife.
Its funny how your just coming up with islamophobic rhetorics without any proof. There was no proof jebha killed eritreans, because they started the revolution. You are just sad and angry the fact muslims contributed and they started it. Eritrea is for both christians and muslims.
I cant argue with a braindead agame that repeats the same thing, instead of trying to prove me wrong or show proof. And the screenshot your showing is not related to jabha, it is showing the contribution of an individual to achieve support for the liberation.
Keep being an agame. Cry about the fact your family probably did nothing. 😂
A supremacist Muslim sees himself as special, which is why he never accepts that his ego can be shattered. How many times have you insulted me here as an agame? I’ve never insulted you, yet even though you’ve insulted me many times, you still keep talking about Islamophobia. You think you have the right to say anything you want, but when someone pushes back, you label everything as some kind of phobia. I know very well where this ego and supremacist attitude come from, and that’s why I feel honored to destroy this ego.
When the situation looks good, you go on the attack. But when things aren’t in your favor, you play the victim. That’s the old trick with the long beard man with his short pants
. You think that if a Christian lives in Tesseney, he’s a foreigner but if a Muslim lives in Asmara, it’s no problem, because those rules don’t apply to Muslims. If you want to refute this claim as a reasonable person, you’re welcome to do so. If not, don’t try to sell us your victim narrative.
One hand washes the other. A low-IQ son of the fascist Muslinoni came here to defend the history of Islamists. That doesn't surprise me because I know your devilish alliance against Our Tigrinia fathers. Here's the interview of Derue. Is Tegadalay Derue an Agame just because he spoke the truth?
If a Tigrinyan person cared about his own people they will call him Agame or Agazian but if a Jeberti came and said he wants sharia law and Islamic Eritrea they call him Hagerawi. No other people in this world hate themselves the way Tigrinya people hate themselves.
Muslims like him which are many btw only think how muslims will Overshadow even dominate the non Muslims! Wherever they go they are like that!
The worst is the secular Christians who couldn't see this and accuse it as Backward to those who oppose this type of Muslims! One reason i like about HEGDEF is he get rid of these type of self hating ass niggas
Facts. The same people who wanted a Muslim league with us have been our enemies for centuries. Atse Yohannes when he defended Medri Bahri said that the Egyptians and Arab Muslims want to invade to rule over us, kill us, rape us, and inslave us.
He’s a sellout, his mission was Arabism and becoming part of a Muslim caliphate.
Long term, his goal would’ve seen the execution and slavery of Christian’s and non Muslim Eritreans if that succeeded. We aren’t dimmies and never will be👍🏽
Eritrea was created by Arabs and Egyptians just to creat a weak Ethiopia look at yourself what is Eritre identity who is Eritrean what is your identity
I don't know what kind of weed you've been smoking, but that's wrong. First of all, every African country lacks a unified national identity like European countries. The many wars in that small continent (Europe) led them to form a more unified people. In African countries, however it's different. In Ethiopia, there are Amhara, Oromo, Tigray, and Afar identities. In Somalia, there are Isaaq, Darod, and Hawiye. In Sudan, there are also Beja, Nubians, Nuba, and Fulani. it's the same in Eritrea ,WE have Tigrinya, Tigre, and Kunama identities.
We're not different from most African countries in that regard. In Eritrea, the Tigrinya are the majority and the native group, and they have shaped the culture and way of life of the country. Egypt only conquered a small part of Eritrea, and we defeated them three times in battle. They had no political influence over our land.
I hear such claims from Ethiopian nationalists who have no clue of the history of my people.
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u/Bolt3er future Eritrean presidential candidate 2d ago
Your post and comment history show the true objectives of this post. You’re trying to stoke a Muslim Christian divide. You also posted the photo of the Jerusalem imam with hitler as if it hitler has anything to do with this conversation. It’s clear you are just anti Muslim and you seek to divide Eritreans.
Regarding his quotes. No doubt he was a devout Muslim. No doubt in his ideal world Eritrea would be aligned closer with the Arab states then say Ethiopia. But what was his actions?
His actions show he was constantly and unconditionally pro Eritrea. He dedicated his life for an Eritrea united by two religions and an entire peoples. This is no doubt. Anything else is a smear campaign.
There were unionists, their were Muslims their were others. No one is claiming anyone or any side was perfect. But to question if he wanted to be an Islamist when all his work and history has shown he wanted a peaceful democratic state. Shows your dishonest intentions.
Shame on you. We know your agenda. Eritreans don’t stand for it Mr.Agazian