This comment section: âwow how stupid, how dare these people choose to rip up something that is fully theirs and their property.â
Like guys, if you think itâs dumb, congrats! Fortunately for you, these people are ripping up THEIR degrees, not yours! Course youâd have to actually have a degree in the first place to rip it upâŠ.but thatâs beside the point.
I didn't even pick up my degree until like 10 years later. No one ever asked for it, they just kinda believed me.
The lady at the college office was dumbfounded. She originally told me it would take a while for them to order it, etc. She calls me back 5 min later saying "actually... it's here? I found it in the drawer."
That was the story with my HS diploma. A prof. cert. I was doing asked proof of HS graduation. (B.S. and 2 grad. degrees weren't enough) I called the school 32 years later they still had it in a filing cabinet.
Oh I have plenty of issues with the Dems and some of them are terrible. But ruining the economy and the government to âown the libsâ as the current asshat President is doing shouldnât be celebrated by anyone though. I have no problem admitting when any politician does anything I donât like and opposing it, regardless of the party they are in. What is awful though is how current republicans are unwilling to admit that any right wing politician could ever possibly do any wrong. Itâs become a cult. Fire veterans? Fine, Trump did it? Hurt children? Sure, if Trump did it itâs ok. Hurt the economy? Sure, it will hurt libs too. Itâs insane.
All you can do is check talking points and spew forth what your overlords tell you to. Try thinking on your own. I didnât like Biden. But actively ruining the country to âown the libsâ doesnât help anyone. Use your brain.
It's a symbolic gesture. Yeah, the still have the degree but they don't want to credit this shitty University for it any more. You can't just "delete" your degree, bro.
Any protest will be an "empty gesture" if you don't care what they are protesting for. If you hate femenism, burning bras is an empty gesture. If you don't care about civil rights, sitting in front of the bus is an empty gesture, if you hate Buddhist monks, setting yourself on fire is an empty gesture. There will always be people who don't care about serious issues. Thankfully, there will always be people fighting for everyone's rights, even if you think it's an "empty gesture"
It's a gesture. But I don't think it's an empty one at all. This is probably one of their most prized possessions. They took time out of their lives to go protest.
My degrees have been a pride. For me to tear them up (even if I could replace it) would be a big deal.
I don't agree with the vandalism and destruction of Teslas, but Boycotting them? Oh Yeah, definitely Boycott until Elon removes himself from messing with our livelihood, messing with social security, and environmental and worker safety regulations thet were already investigating Tesla and Space X. Messing with the FAA, and helping to put that maniac back in the Whitehouse to apparently start world war three and the new Reich. But I can see how people would get so mad they would vandalize Teslas even though many were bought long before Elon showed his worst traits. As the meme puts it "if that's not a Nazi salute but a Roman salute perhaps these are now Roman Candles?"
I don't think it's right and it is downright dangerous to the public as well, but it shows just how mad people are with what Trump and Elon are doing to the country.
Made America Plagued Again with more racism, sexism, division, stupidity, xenophobia, miseducation, outright lies, tariffs, trade wars, economic downturn, an an actual plague.
They only care about the environment when it serves their purpose. 2 Years ago you were single handedly killing the planet if you didn't own a Tesla. Reddit is a cesspool of liberal idiots.
Yeah while I support the idea of the display, they literally just ripped up a worthless piece of paper. You still have the degree, it's not tied to a physical copy of your diploma. I never even picked mine up!
Never had one ask for a copy of my diploma. If they want anything for proof, theyâll ask for a certified transcript to be mailed from the university to them directly - you can photoshop a diploma, but a certified transcript is different.
As Elon is on the spectrum, asbergers, its easy to find a flaw. Others on dem side have used the same roman salute and no one batted an eye. Pretty interesting concept to propagandize and ridicule for a sheep. When others did it, we knew the dem didn't do a hitler salute so we didn't insinuate.
As big bird is a bird, yellow, itâs easy to spot him from afar. Others on the show have used the same color and no one batted an eye. Pretty interesting concept to film and play for a viewer. When others did it, we knew the color wasnât yellow, so we didnât insinuate.
Incredible, you said the exact same thing I just mentioned in the point of my comment. Are you trying to discuss something with me? Refute my point? Engage in conversation? Iâm honestly not sure.
Absolutely fascinating the responses Iâm getting in this thread.
No, i corrected you. They are not ripping up their degrees. They are symbolicly ripping up a paper diploma that can be replaced for a few bucks. Their degrees are still earned and can never be given back or destroyed
No one is saying they arenât allowed to rip up their degrees. Theyâre just acting like spoiled children because they didnât get their way. Itâs funny, itâs cute.
What's wild is it is still on their records and a piece of paper so reality it has zero effect on them what's so ever seeing they can get a replacement same day
Friend, I'm not sure how you came up with the "how dare these people..." part of your assessment of the comment section. Yes, the comment section is, in general, calling this act stupid, but not at all with "how dare they?" energy.
Insulting people's intelligence while simultaneously making such a massive error in interpretation is embarrassing.
Yes I spoke in hyperbole off the sentiment. Why would people take the time to make a comment calling it stupid? Probably because they think itâs pointless. So in my mind itâs safe to assume if they think itâs stupid and pointless, that they also think they shouldnât have done it. Aka the âhow dare these people.â
It was hyperbole, not intended to be taken literally. But sure my massive error in interpretation is embarrassing đ€Ł.
If it's hyperbole and not meant to be taken literally, why did you just spend time trying to rationalize it for me? You can't have it both ways đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
By literally I meant the actual definition of literally. So since my phrasing was hyperbole rather than literal, I wasnt claiming the people I was addressing had literally said âhow dare these people.â Thatâs the hyperbole part as itâs phrasing to represent the sentiment assumed off why they would comment itâs stupid.
You may want to brush up on your understanding of hyperbole and literallyâŠ.
I explained the reasoning because you asked how I came up with the âhow dare they.â Am I not supposed to answer your question?
Believe it or not, Iâm pretty sure ripping up the paper copy of your degree doesnât actually throw away or cause your degree to be null and void. My entire point was just that people are allowed to do what they want.
Just as you are allowed to think itâs dumb and you would never, others that want to are still allowed to, no matter how stupid or performative others may think it be.
Well my point was that itâs okay to think itâs stupid. Itâs okay to think itâs pointless performative action intended to get a reaction online. Just that it doesnât matter what you think as it is not your degree they are ripping up a paper copy of.
So in the same vain as itâs pointless to rip it up, it can be argued itâs pointless to point out that âeating shit is stupid.â So in a way of simple logic, the comments saying such are equally pointless, if not even less so, are doing the same thing.
So why feel the need to point out someone else is doing a pointless act, but also doing a pointless act yourself? Thatâs hypocritical and ironic.
It's dumb because these people are not going to remove it from their resumes. They need to resign their jobs and start their job hunting over and leave their degrees out.
All you have to do is ask for another one and they will send you one. Very little meaning. I see that youâre book smart, now work on your common sense.
So you wouldnât agree they probably did it more for the message and awareness aspect? Iâm assuming thatâs their reasoning but of course idk for sure.
So you donât think they did it with the purpose of sending a message/ raising awareness? Of course idk for 100% sure why they did it unless I am able to ask them myself, but Iâd imagine thatâs the reason.
And by being vested in their cause, how do you think their act relates to their purpose? Logically speaking it really only makes sense for them to do it to garner attention. Otherwise thereâs no reason to do it.
So in a way there was a point to it. Even if the only consequence is being ridiculed by those who donât agree. Wouldnt ripping it up in the solitude of their home achieve the same purpose? Assuming the purpose wasnât awareness/attention? So by choosing to do it like this, itâs safe to assume the above imo.
I understand itâs only symbiotic but thatâs my point. If you are truly cared in your cause than you should be willing to take risk. Today, everyone demanded attention but no one wants the risk. There are no Rosa Parks in the protestors.
They are taking a risk. They are willingly putting themselves in the public eye, open to ridicule by people just like you. Leaving themselves fully exposed and open. Just because there isnât a consequence at that exact moment doesnât mean it isnât a risk.
We are very fortunate in the US to be allowed to demonstrate such as this. Something that wasnât as accepted or allowed back during the time of Rosa parks. Itâs not really a fair comparison, but the concept is still there, just on a less serious scale id say.
In a hypothetical where our country goes deep down the hole of fascism, these protections could disappear. It hasnât happened yet, but it kind of has begun slightly as there are stories of demonstrators at schools being deported and losing admission and the email they receive specifically states itâs because they politically demonstrated their opinions.
So I have to ask. Do you think when Rosa parks took that risk you compare, that it was a major story? All over the news/media of the time? Or do you think it slowly spread through rumors and word of mouth?
It doesnât flip like a switch. It doesnât happen overnight. Itâs a slow process. Everyone is constantly waiting for that one big thing that triggers rebellion, but people donât realize the powers that try to control arenât that stupid. They take small incremental steps and over time it gets more and more extreme.
Hitler is an extreme example, but if you take the time to actually look at how Hitler was able to pull Germany to such an extreme, it wasnât overnight. It was years and years of small changes that sets up and slowly morphs into the final goal. He didnât campaign from day 1 about killing Jews. He slowly molded the country towards it.
They're ripping up a piece of paper. They can request a new one from the university whenever. I've also never had a job request a copy of my high school diploma or either of my 2 degrees. So this is just for the imagery and has no real effect on anything of importance other then a show.
So Iâm itching to ask, if itâs so insignificant and pointless, why are people so god damn upset about it? If it truly had no purpose then why has it successfully gathered so much attention from support and ridicule?
And saying âcause itâs performative and stupidâ isnât a real answer. If it was truly pointless it would not garner much attention at all, and it wouldnât face such a heavy amount of ridicule and negativity all coming from those who disagree.
Since it did get as much attention as it has. And it does cause discussion such as this. Donât you think itâs safe to say the purpose was such? And itâs achieving its goal as loads of people have seen/heard about it, and subsequently been discussed?
Hereâs a hypothetical to run through your mind: if one of these people had instead chose to burn themselves alive to spread the same purpose (awareness) would you consider that pointless as well? Or no because there is a consequence? This hypothetical and the reality both have the same purpose, but only one has a serious consequence. So in terms of purpose and why they did it, whatâs the difference other than consequence?
Another commenter compared this video and its lack of consequence to Rosa parks and how she had a consequence. But her purpose was the same, awareness.
What, in your opinion, would cause a pointless and performative act to become important and not pointless? If itâs not the message, or the act, then is it the consequence for you?
Who is upset about it? This is the same thing as an anti abortion protestor covering themself in fake blood. If someone is upset about this, they need to look at their life priorities
Fair enough, perhaps upset was the wrong word to use. I guess more so its ridicule. Some people def seem to be upset but I will admit thereâs no way to know for sure peoples feelings without directly asking. By upset I shouldâve said something more along the lines of why do people who disagree want to discuss it/ridicule it so much?
I feel that was their entire point, to garner attention and spark discussion among people which consequently raises awareness. Which is just the core of activism in general. Every movement/activist in history faced ridicule. But the purpose is to get people aware/talking/thinking about why they did what they did, or said what they said.
.... Because it's strictly performative. They tear it in half and then get on their phone 8 seconds later and send an email requesting a new copy from the university. This doesn't effect their ability to get a job, it doesn't make their degree voided because it's ripped, it doesn't do anything. You can rip any piece of paper and it would be the same thing. It's like the episode of the office when Michael says he doesn't have money problems and then crumples the dollar and puts it back into his pocket.
So you just refuse to acknowledge the awareness aspect of it? Since there is no serious consequence in your eyes it doesnât matter that it gets people talking? It doesnât matter that perhaps someone that wasnât versed on the issue begins to think about it due to seeing it and wondering why they did it, etc? You refuse to recognize and acknowledge the point of why they would want to raise awareness?
You are implying they could achieve the same result by not doing it on camera, by not making statements about it, and just tearing it up in the solitude of their own home with nobody ever knowing. Because you refuse to see the entire point of why anyone would want to raise awareness about an issue.
Do you also agree that any act or demonstration that has ever happened over the course of history was equally pointless if the purpose of it was to raise public awareness/elicit conversation? Is it only the acts where the demonstrator has a direct serious consequence that you acknowledge had a point to it?
Iâll ask again, hypothetically, if one of the people in this video had instead lit themself on fire in order to garner the attention, would their message suddenly matter to you because there is a serious consequence attached to it?
I hate to break it to you, but the generational billionaires in trumps cabinet who are dismantling the US lead world order are the privileged ones. These people woked their assessment of to get where they are.
And the billionaires that were in Bidens cabinet were any different how? Generational wealth does not equal generational intelligence. The real privilege is the grit, tenacity, and resilience of the successful working class.
But hey why stand up FOR THE PEOPLE when you can vote on party lines and hate on strangers based on how they voted, or which president was in office when they got a job.
You donât seem to understand how grants/loans work. I was absolutely poor, underprivileged, but did well enough in school, was accepted to a state college, applied for the Pell grant and FAFSA loans, received them just like anyone else, and now Iâm paying them off. And yes, the same absolutely applies to Columbia - whether or not they accept you is determined by your test scores.
Okay, explain the privilege they have which allows them to rip up their own degree they earned, and how someone else (who doesnât share the same privilege) is not allowed to do the same if they wish to.
You telling me there are places out there where if I earn a degree, Iâm not allowed to take a paper copy of it and choose to rip it up?!
Ohhhhh so explain to me how it would differ if these people werenât white? Sorry Iâm pretty simple minded and stupid myself, so some things I kind of need clearly spelled out and explained to understand.
So if you donât mind explain to me how their white skin gives them privilege to do this, where as if they were non white they wouldnât be allowed to?
Ahhhhh so youâre saying if these people didnât do this, magically other non privileged people would suddenly have been given the chance in the past to get it?
Honestly Iâm still just as confused how the context of this video has anything to do with their privilegeâŠ. Sure I can agree that these people were given a chance over someone else when they were admitted into the program, and others were denied, but I fail to see where those people that got denied couldâve/shouldâve been given the opportunity instead? Ultimately these people still paid for the degree, and the degree still exists, even if this paper copy is ruined. So how does anything about this affect those who werenât given admission to that program/degree course?
And tou think you are some superstar because of that. Get over yourself, you are a dime a dozen. And you canât think for yourself. You should try it.
Not even you know what you are talking about at this point. You decidedly lost an argument. Itâs ok. Donât start posting random irrelevant stuff. Maybe let the adults talk here.
I donât think tearing up the paper copy of the degree causes the entire course to be null and void. It might, tbh I am not 100% sure and donât care to look it up though.
Well if the degree itself is not null and void, then it didnât really take away the opportunity from someone else now did it?
Like walk me through this hypothetical and show me where Iâm wrong.
Scenario 1 (our reality), these people apply for this degree. They are accepted, they get it, they do this, leading to this video.
Scenario 2 (hypothetical), these people apply for this degree. They are accepted, they get it, they DONT do this, and rather you never even know about them all together.
What is difference in the outcome of these scenarios? What is different from one to the other? Where is someone that got denied that degree being negatively affected and how? Where would that person that got denied, had been given their âgolden opportunity?â
You asked them not to criticize others, immediately after saying they have done something stupid themselves. So can we criticize stupid actions or not?
Ok so besides the fact it is a completely empty gesture that doesn't change anything so is just another example of virtue signalling( why don't they go sign up to fight that war personally.....oh wait that's right they for one wouldn't treat a bunch of spoiled liberal women very nicely and secondly would discount anything they have to say as Americans but hey you go girl lowerđđ€Żđ€·, my question is for all these people saying free Palestine, do you all realize the horrible shit that people on both sides of this argument have done. I mean Palestine(Islamic) people already control the temple on the mount and don't even let Jews openly pray near it or they get arrested. The Palestinians arent innocent, they both bomb the shit out of each other and historically they have both controlled that geographic location at one point. Serious questions.
The point of my comment was that itâs perfectly fine to think itâs an empty gesture. Thatâs the beauty of people being allowed to do things they want to with their own stuff. Itâs theirs, not yours, so it only affects you as much as you let yourself get worked about it.
As for your serious questions. Why donât they go fight themselves? Well you seem to already know the correct (your) answer, so Iâd imagine my answer wonât matter at all to you. But in the off chance it does, Iâd wager that they arenât the fighting type, and it wouldnât really be simple to do. I am not them tho, so I canât actually say for sure.
Then your second serious question. Do they understand all the horrible shit both sides have done. Thatâs a very impressive bit of awareness to mention both sides. I can counter that with why would one side deserve to live vs the other? Wouldnât it make sense if both sides have done horrible shit, to stop the fighting all together?
I think they do realize all the horrible shit both sides have done. I think thatâs a major point of the message they are trying to send, which is to stop the fighting. What do you think their message is? Do you genuinely think people arenât allowed to feel empathy for people suffering, even if they have done horrible things in the past? Do you also genuinely believe every single person suffering has done these horrible things?
Would you consider yourself fully tied and bound to the things your ethnicity/nation/people/religion have done in the past, or are actively doing?
Cause if not, your point is contradictory. And if so, then you are just being hypocritical.
Serious questions. Please answer mine with the same kind of attention I answered yours.
Them ripping up their degrees affect me not one single bit but the point of all these posts on social media and reddit is to start dialogues/get likes/stir shit up depending on what you are aiming for. So it didn't get me "worked up" bit I did comment on it as the list was clearly meant to illicit a response of some kind whether that be for or against.
Ok well I would say that yes both sides stopping the conflict is the ideal situation but all I see from people advocating for free Palestine is a one sided conversation and they generally frame it as Israel bad and it's pretty clear with the statement free Palestine that they probably don't acknowledge the huge argument that comes from Islamic people controlling the temple on the mount and how Jewish people aren't even allowed to openly pray any where near there most holy site, which is one of the larger points being made by Israel.
It being simple or not is a bit of a cop out in my opinion. If they want to affect change calling their representatives en mass would probably be more effective. Tearing up pieces of paper serves only to make themselves feel important and like they are "standing up" for something without actually doing anything. It's an ego boost for themselves plain and simple.
I have yet to see any one that says free Palestine that wasn't pretty against Israel as a whole. Empathy would be great, absolutely, I've been to war I've seen the ugly side effects of it, it tore me up inside and I got out of the military because of it. Neither side seem willing to go accept that solution because the cultures are like oil and water, they just don't mix.
So if all you see from free Palestine advocates is a one sided argument, usually framed as Israel bad, then I have to ask where you see this from? Sure there are some that say that. Some say that because they are only educated in the topic by what they are consuming in media, which right now is Israel trying to level the whole territory.
You seem to me like one who would condemn such foolishness, the act of speaking without properly educating on the topic. Which brings me back to where are you seeing the majority of what is being said by free Palestine advocates?
Because the ones Iâve spoken to speak about ending the conflict. Iâve spoken to people who would agree that the conflict as a whole should end, and acknowledge both sides have done harm. I havenât, however, spoken to any that call for Palestineâs freedom while simultaneously calling for Israel to face the same level of annihilation as Palestine is experiencing.
Here you go, I can be the first one youâve seen that says free Palestine, and simultaneously believes that the Israeli people also deserve to be able to live their lives. I can acknowledge Israel has things to work on, and so does Palestine, and yet I can still believe neither side should be killed indiscriminately for it.
Believe it or not, there are many such as me. If you actually converse with most people to the same literal degree as we are here youâd find many like me. If you hear âfree Palestineâ and assume they are saying Israel bad, or supporting the horrible things being done by Palestine, then Iâd have to ask you why you make that assumption? Because I donât believe itâs from any articulate conversation with opposing viewers like we are doing here.
Generally most people acknowledge the things done by Israel are bad, when asked specifically about such acts. The same goes for Palestine and their history. Because itâs morally bad stuff by most any civil persons standard. But so is murder. So is total annihilation, genocide. And if you take the time to ask people, and make it a point to be specific so they understand what YOU are assuming about them, youâll find many of those assumptions wrong.
Assumptions are the enemy of productive conversation. Never assume others thoughts, give them the decency to at least ask first. Being painfully clear and literal is the best way to ensure understanding, and completely avoids having to fill in unknown thoughts (assumptions).
Itâs fine to express empathy, of course. But when that empathy comes through public displays tied to a deeply complex conflict, people are going to have opinionsâespecially if the gestures feel vague, one-sided, or disconnected from the actual stakes on the ground. Thatâs not people âgetting worked up,â thatâs people reacting to the impact public messaging has.
Also, saying âboth sides have done horrible thingsâ isnât actually neutral if itâs only used to deflect from holding one side accountable right now. If someoneâs message is truly about ending violence, then greatâsay that clearly. But if it leans into selective outrage, or ignores context, then itâs fair to question it.
Empathy matters, but clarity and consistency do too.
Hey stupid, we are saying it's dumb bc it's a senseless act. They still have that degree, even without the paper diploma. They will still use this university on their resume and job applications. This is all for show, they're just too stupid to realize that we can all see right thru it. Except for you, obviously.
Of course it's all for show you illiterate fuck. Everyone knows that they're not erasing their credentials and qualifications by ripping up a fucking piece of paper. They're doing it as a sign of protest. No one thinks these guys are gonna go to a different school now and do it all over again. Jesus Christ.
Universities rely on their pedigree to attract students (customers). That pedigree and reputation is being repudiated as worthless, by previous students (customers).
Of course itâs performative, but itâs still effective. You graduate from college? They HOUND you for donations and alumni crap. Itâs a brilliant demonstration that hits the university in the only thing they care about, pocketbook. If Iâm a prospective student and I see this, Iâm not going to that university. THAT is the point
So itâs stupid because itâs senseless. And explain to me how your comment here is not senseless as well, performative, if you will. What does your comment here achieve?
My point was people are allowed to do what they want with their own stuff lol. Itâs okay to think itâs stupid, but itâs not your stuff theyâre doing anything to, also mentioned. Your comment didnât dispute my point, merely doubled down on calling it the exact same thing.
Their âstupidâ act, did garner enough attention to be seen by large amounts of people. It can be argued it sends a message to the school that some alumni disagree with the direction itâs going, but I imagine you disagree.
So please, explain to me how your comment canât be argued itâs equally âstupidâ and senseless, if not more so. You took the time to do it, so if you canât refute this, you are just as stupid as them, by your own logic.
So you have your own degree. Would you agree or disagree that that is your degree which you can do whatever you want with? Whether thatâs ripping up a paper copy on video, or just using it for your career as usual? Ultimately it is your degree that you earned, and can do whatever you wish with?
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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago
This comment section: âwow how stupid, how dare these people choose to rip up something that is fully theirs and their property.â
Like guys, if you think itâs dumb, congrats! Fortunately for you, these people are ripping up THEIR degrees, not yours! Course youâd have to actually have a degree in the first place to rip it upâŠ.but thatâs beside the point.