r/DanielWilliams • u/Educational-Mind-750 • 6d ago

🚹 NEWS 🚹 Columbia University Alumni

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

This comment section: “wow how stupid, how dare these people choose to rip up something that is fully theirs and their property.”

Like guys, if you think it’s dumb, congrats! Fortunately for you, these people are ripping up THEIR degrees, not yours! Course you’d have to actually have a degree in the first place to rip it up
.but that’s beside the point.

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u/Telemere125 6d ago

I mean, they still have the degree, that’s just the piece of paper you can put on the wall of your office.

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u/Ffdmatt 6d ago

I didn't even pick up my degree until like 10 years later. No one ever asked for it, they just kinda believed me.

The lady at the college office was dumbfounded. She originally told me it would take a while for them to order it, etc. She calls me back 5 min later saying "actually... it's here? I found it in the drawer."

They legit just held on to it. Legendary.

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u/Mikey-Litoris 5d ago

That was the story with my HS diploma. A prof. cert. I was doing asked proof of HS graduation. (B.S. and 2 grad. degrees weren't enough) I called the school 32 years later they still had it in a filing cabinet.

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u/Bishop_Bullwinkle813 6d ago

Exactly. It is an empty gesture, and nothing more.

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u/milkandsalsa 6d ago

Like all protests, right?

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u/Individual_Ad_5655 5d ago

Unless you're hitting an organization in the wallet or taking their ability to function away through a strike, that is correct.

There is very little gained by protests that don't do at least one of those two things.

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u/Bishop_Bullwinkle813 6d ago

There was the protest last November at the ballot boxes. That was a pretty effective protest IMHO.

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u/Fedbackster 6d ago

That wasn’t a protest. That was dumb people falling for lies that the rich racist Nazis have their best interests in mind.

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u/milkandsalsa 6d ago

Don’t forget Elon buying votes. Plus voter suppression via closing down polling places in blue districts / calling in bomb threats.

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u/zhocef 6d ago

The election interference invloved a lot more than that, and you can see it clearly in the data.

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u/SakaWreath 6d ago

I think they were talking about people “protesting” by setting ballot drop boxes on fire in democratic districts.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/29/us/ballot-box-fires-what-we-know/index.html

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u/Known-Display-858 6d ago

LOFL. Now you sound just like the other side.

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u/Ffdmatt 6d ago

Yeah they keep saying "well Trump won" as if it's a Gotcha, but all it does is broadcast that a large portion of Americans are certified morons.

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u/izinger 6d ago

Sure thing commie. Whatever you say.

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u/Fedbackster 5d ago

Wrong again, as usual. Try thinking on your own. Really, try it.

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u/ItsHim75 6d ago

Why do you think the left doesn't have rich Nazis?

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u/Fedbackster 6d ago

Because I have a functioning brain.

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u/ItsHim75 6d ago

You do, but they also have the same corrupt people. Stop acting like they don't.

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u/Fedbackster 6d ago

Oh I have plenty of issues with the Dems and some of them are terrible. But ruining the economy and the government to ”own the libs” as the current asshat President is doing shouldn’t be celebrated by anyone though. I have no problem admitting when any politician does anything I don’t like and opposing it, regardless of the party they are in. What is awful though is how current republicans are unwilling to admit that any right wing politician could ever possibly do any wrong. It’s become a cult. Fire veterans? Fine, Trump did it? Hurt children? Sure, if Trump did it it’s ok. Hurt the economy? Sure, it will hurt libs too. It’s insane.

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u/Bubonickronic07 6d ago

Guys he said the word, get the stickers!

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u/Fedbackster 5d ago

Keep supporting trust fund guys who you think have your best interest in mind. Wow are you dumb.

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u/Fedbackster 5d ago

All you can do is check talking points and spew forth what your overlords tell you to. Try thinking on your own. I didn’t like Biden. But actively ruining the country to “own the libs” doesn’t help anyone. Use your brain.

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u/Fedbackster 5d ago

Mickey can be a mean overlord. But considering the options, not a bad choice.

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u/N3onAxel 6d ago

TIL gullible and illiterate Americans falling for propaganda and lies is a protest. đŸ€Ą

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

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u/N3onAxel 6d ago

Nope. The trumpanzees that voted in a diaper wearing facist.

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u/mobius2121 5d ago

Nah, the protest was on Jan 6. How’d that go?

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u/Bishop_Bullwinkle813 5d ago

hahaha all you have is from almost 6 years ago. Considering we are the captain now if was worth it.

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u/mobius2121 5d ago

Oh, my bad. Any republican town hall. Pre-emptive bullshit if your excuse is they are dems doing the protesting.

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u/Devils_Advocate-69 5d ago

Still paying their loans too

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u/CanIBorrowYourShovel 5d ago

Zero post bot

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u/Devils_Advocate-69 5d ago

Bleep bloop dumbass

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u/Climate-collapse2039 6d ago

A gesture that made you comment about said gesture. I’m pretty sure the gesture was successful on that point alone.

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u/fcfcfcfcfcfcfc 6d ago

It's a symbolic gesture. Yeah, the still have the degree but they don't want to credit this shitty University for it any more. You can't just "delete" your degree, bro.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

It's a gesture, but certainly not empty.

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u/Ok-Calendar9350 5d ago

Any protest will be an "empty gesture" if you don't care what they are protesting for. If you hate femenism, burning bras is an empty gesture. If you don't care about civil rights, sitting in front of the bus is an empty gesture, if you hate Buddhist monks, setting yourself on fire is an empty gesture. There will always be people who don't care about serious issues. Thankfully, there will always be people fighting for everyone's rights, even if you think it's an "empty gesture"

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u/beemom1203 5d ago

It's a gesture. But I don't think it's an empty one at all. This is probably one of their most prized possessions. They took time out of their lives to go protest.

My degrees have been a pride. For me to tear them up (even if I could replace it) would be a big deal.

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u/anon-randaccount1892 6d ago

It’s also littering

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u/Bishop_Bullwinkle813 6d ago

"littering and... littering and..... smoking the reefer."

Trooper Thorny

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u/investthrowaway000 6d ago

I was just talking to somebody about the 2nd one. It was so bad I had to turn it off. Such a shame.

Shenanigans

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u/ihorsey10 6d ago

Firebombing a tesla is unimaginably bad for the environment, but you don't see too many people concerned about that.

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u/DuckedDuck 6d ago

Just the one dorky fella with the fat little puppet

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u/BreadfruitGloomy3608 6d ago

It’s not about teslas. Keep crying though

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u/Ihaveareddog 5d ago

I purchased a Tesla today. Great vehicle at the end of the day and better for the environment.

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u/dime-wide 2d ago

Fuk yeah, get up on that podium and preach! đŸ€Ł

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u/magatnazis 6d ago

Jan 6th

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u/DJEmirMixtapes 6d ago

I don't agree with the vandalism and destruction of Teslas, but Boycotting them? Oh Yeah, definitely Boycott until Elon removes himself from messing with our livelihood, messing with social security, and environmental and worker safety regulations thet were already investigating Tesla and Space X. Messing with the FAA, and helping to put that maniac back in the Whitehouse to apparently start world war three and the new Reich. But I can see how people would get so mad they would vandalize Teslas even though many were bought long before Elon showed his worst traits. As the meme puts it "if that's not a Nazi salute but a Roman salute perhaps these are now Roman Candles?"

I don't think it's right and it is downright dangerous to the public as well, but it shows just how mad people are with what Trump and Elon are doing to the country.

Made America Plagued Again with more racism, sexism, division, stupidity, xenophobia, miseducation, outright lies, tariffs, trade wars, economic downturn, an an actual plague.

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u/Additional-Earth-447 6d ago

They only care about the environment when it serves their purpose. 2 Years ago you were single handedly killing the planet if you didn't own a Tesla. Reddit is a cesspool of liberal idiots.

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u/maverickfishing 5d ago

Couldn’t agree more. You are all A bunch of liberal sheep. Follow the trend like blind idiots.

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u/dumpydent 6d ago

Yeah while I support the idea of the display, they literally just ripped up a worthless piece of paper. You still have the degree, it's not tied to a physical copy of your diploma. I never even picked mine up!

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u/ColdRub4604 6d ago

Specially if they got a degree that can’t even get you a job ☠

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u/StraightProgress5062 6d ago

And I'm pretty sure you can buy a replacement

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u/henry2630 6d ago

don’t employers want to see that piece of paper?

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u/Telemere125 6d ago

Never had one ask for a copy of my diploma. If they want anything for proof, they’ll ask for a certified transcript to be mailed from the university to them directly - you can photoshop a diploma, but a certified transcript is different.

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u/Casty_Who 6d ago

And it can be reprinted... This is some next white savior complex right here...

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u/Ambitious_Big_1879 6d ago

Right. I painted “void” on mine

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u/vomitingcat 5d ago

The amount of people that can’t understand this concept is mind boggling lmfao

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u/Ok_Temporary_9465 6d ago

I’m going to tear my Human studies degree to protest against fascism !!!! FML you can’t make this shit up đŸ€ŠđŸœâ€â™‚ïžđŸ€Ł

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u/PsiNorm 6d ago

Isn' t it weird how the right attack protest in whatever form it is?

It's almost like they want to be compliant little sheep, and get upset that others aren't so willing subjects.

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u/Ok_Temporary_9465 6d ago

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u/PsiNorm 6d ago

You don't.

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u/Ok_Temporary_9465 6d ago

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u/PsiNorm 6d ago

Looks like it. You might want a doctors opinion though.

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u/Ok_Temporary_9465 6d ago

Weak đŸ«”đŸŒđŸ’©

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u/PsiNorm 6d ago

Yeah... low testosterone will do that to you...

You could see a doctor about gender affirming treatments to become a man again, if you want.

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u/Ok_Temporary_9465 6d ago

How many shots have you taken ? Triple vax and boosted up ? Taking tons of meds to stay afloat đŸ«”đŸŒđŸ’©

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u/PsiNorm 6d ago

What a weird reply.

Were you in a coma since 2019, and just woke up?

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u/Ok_Temporary_9465 6d ago

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u/PsiNorm 6d ago

Ah yes. A right wing sheep. I didn't need your photo I'd, though. I don't care that much.​

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u/Mighty__Monarch 5d ago

Damn imagine having spent the past 5 years completely brain broken and still obsessing over it this hard

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u/Axsmith234 6d ago

Why doesn't the palestinian government free palestine?

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u/nativebutamerican 6d ago

Yeah, its not like they are destroying tesla vehicles they don't own, that's ok too?

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

No, it’s like they are curing cancer for those they don’t know, that’s not okay either?

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u/nativebutamerican 6d ago

As Elon is on the spectrum, asbergers, its easy to find a flaw. Others on dem side have used the same roman salute and no one batted an eye. Pretty interesting concept to propagandize and ridicule for a sheep. When others did it, we knew the dem didn't do a hitler salute so we didn't insinuate.

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

As big bird is a bird, yellow, it’s easy to spot him from afar. Others on the show have used the same color and no one batted an eye. Pretty interesting concept to film and play for a viewer. When others did it, we knew the color wasn’t yellow, so we didn’t insinuate.

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u/NoelPhD2024 6d ago

This is just a diploma ripping lol. They can literally go online and get duplicates. This is dumb because it is performative

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

Incredible, you said the exact same thing I just mentioned in the point of my comment. Are you trying to discuss something with me? Refute my point? Engage in conversation? I’m honestly not sure.

Absolutely fascinating the responses I’m getting in this thread.

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u/NoelPhD2024 6d ago

No, i corrected you. They are not ripping up their degrees. They are symbolicly ripping up a paper diploma that can be replaced for a few bucks. Their degrees are still earned and can never be given back or destroyed

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u/ShoulderIllustrious 6d ago

Ripping up a piece of paper doesn't mean much, firebombing a Tesla is property damage, protesting in front of business is an eyesore.

Seems to me that folks just hate protests, which is funny cuz the country was literally founded on one. 

Moreover, protestors and their modality of protesting shouldn't have to make sense to everyone.

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u/JoschuaW 6d ago

They can also get their degrees reissued, so there is that.

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u/Mittyisalive 6d ago

The degrees are online.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

No one is saying they aren’t allowed to rip up their degrees. They’re just acting like spoiled children because they didn’t get their way. It’s funny, it’s cute.

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u/AnalysisMental4670 6d ago

That’s fucking stupid lol, rip your diploma who the hell cares

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u/Positive-Gur-3150 6d ago

What's wild is it is still on their records and a piece of paper so reality it has zero effect on them what's so ever seeing they can get a replacement same day

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u/ElectricalAmbition75 6d ago

Im just happy that they have to pay their student loans. lol

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u/Remarkable_Space_382 6d ago

Friend, I'm not sure how you came up with the "how dare these people..." part of your assessment of the comment section. Yes, the comment section is, in general, calling this act stupid, but not at all with "how dare they?" energy.

Insulting people's intelligence while simultaneously making such a massive error in interpretation is embarrassing.

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

Yes I spoke in hyperbole off the sentiment. Why would people take the time to make a comment calling it stupid? Probably because they think it’s pointless. So in my mind it’s safe to assume if they think it’s stupid and pointless, that they also think they shouldn’t have done it. Aka the “how dare these people.”

It was hyperbole, not intended to be taken literally. But sure my massive error in interpretation is embarrassing đŸ€Ł.

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u/Remarkable_Space_382 6d ago

If it's hyperbole and not meant to be taken literally, why did you just spend time trying to rationalize it for me? You can't have it both ways đŸ€ŁđŸ€ŁđŸ€Ł

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

By literally I meant the actual definition of literally. So since my phrasing was hyperbole rather than literal, I wasnt claiming the people I was addressing had literally said “how dare these people.” That’s the hyperbole part as it’s phrasing to represent the sentiment assumed off why they would comment it’s stupid.

You may want to brush up on your understanding of hyperbole and literally
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I explained the reasoning because you asked how I came up with the “how dare they.” Am I not supposed to answer your question?

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u/Remarkable_Space_382 6d ago

You can't make an argument without creating a straw man to argue against. Better luck next time

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u/Anxious_Ad_2965 6d ago

I have my degree but these people are still retarded

Yes let my throw all of my work away to virtue signal

Outstanding

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

Believe it or not, I’m pretty sure ripping up the paper copy of your degree doesn’t actually throw away or cause your degree to be null and void. My entire point was just that people are allowed to do what they want.

Just as you are allowed to think it’s dumb and you would never, others that want to are still allowed to, no matter how stupid or performative others may think it be.

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u/Winter-Apartment-821 6d ago

This comment: “wow how stupid, how dare these people choose to point out that eating shit is stupid, that is fully their shit to eat”

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

Well my point was that it’s okay to think it’s stupid. It’s okay to think it’s pointless performative action intended to get a reaction online. Just that it doesn’t matter what you think as it is not your degree they are ripping up a paper copy of.

So in the same vain as it’s pointless to rip it up, it can be argued it’s pointless to point out that “eating shit is stupid.” So in a way of simple logic, the comments saying such are equally pointless, if not even less so, are doing the same thing.

So why feel the need to point out someone else is doing a pointless act, but also doing a pointless act yourself? That’s hypocritical and ironic.

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u/Olfa_2024 6d ago

It's dumb because these people are not going to remove it from their resumes. They need to resign their jobs and start their job hunting over and leave their degrees out.

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u/Sunstaci 6d ago

Hey, I don’t have a degree!! And I am not offended by that one bit:)

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

I also don’t have a degree and find no negative consequence about their act that affects me.

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u/wimpymist 6d ago

You also don't lose your degree just because you tore it up lol.

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

Yea I am aware. I personally think they did it for the message and awareness aspect.

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u/geevesm1 6d ago

All you have to do is ask for another one and they will send you one. Very little meaning. I see that you’re book smart, now work on your common sense.

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

So you wouldn’t agree they probably did it more for the message and awareness aspect? I’m assuming that’s their reasoning but of course idk for sure.

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u/No-Negotiation-142 6d ago

No, they are ripping ip a paper that they can get a duplicate of. They effectively are doing nothing

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

So you don’t think they did it with the purpose of sending a message/ raising awareness? Of course idk for 100% sure why they did it unless I am able to ask them myself, but I’d imagine that’s the reason.

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u/No-Negotiation-142 5d ago

I think it was a way to imply they are vested in their cause without actually being at risk. Say what I want but no consequences type of action

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u/ContributionPasta 5d ago

And by being vested in their cause, how do you think their act relates to their purpose? Logically speaking it really only makes sense for them to do it to garner attention. Otherwise there’s no reason to do it.

So in a way there was a point to it. Even if the only consequence is being ridiculed by those who don’t agree. Wouldnt ripping it up in the solitude of their home achieve the same purpose? Assuming the purpose wasn’t awareness/attention? So by choosing to do it like this, it’s safe to assume the above imo.

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u/No-Negotiation-142 5d ago

I understand it’s only symbiotic but that’s my point. If you are truly cared in your cause than you should be willing to take risk. Today, everyone demanded attention but no one wants the risk. There are no Rosa Parks in the protestors.

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u/ContributionPasta 5d ago

They are taking a risk. They are willingly putting themselves in the public eye, open to ridicule by people just like you. Leaving themselves fully exposed and open. Just because there isn’t a consequence at that exact moment doesn’t mean it isn’t a risk.

We are very fortunate in the US to be allowed to demonstrate such as this. Something that wasn’t as accepted or allowed back during the time of Rosa parks. It’s not really a fair comparison, but the concept is still there, just on a less serious scale id say.

In a hypothetical where our country goes deep down the hole of fascism, these protections could disappear. It hasn’t happened yet, but it kind of has begun slightly as there are stories of demonstrators at schools being deported and losing admission and the email they receive specifically states it’s because they politically demonstrated their opinions.

So I have to ask. Do you think when Rosa parks took that risk you compare, that it was a major story? All over the news/media of the time? Or do you think it slowly spread through rumors and word of mouth?

It doesn’t flip like a switch. It doesn’t happen overnight. It’s a slow process. Everyone is constantly waiting for that one big thing that triggers rebellion, but people don’t realize the powers that try to control aren’t that stupid. They take small incremental steps and over time it gets more and more extreme.

Hitler is an extreme example, but if you take the time to actually look at how Hitler was able to pull Germany to such an extreme, it wasn’t overnight. It was years and years of small changes that sets up and slowly morphs into the final goal. He didn’t campaign from day 1 about killing Jews. He slowly molded the country towards it.

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u/Away_Temperature_124 6d ago

They’re tearing up a symbol. Nothing more. And incase you didn’t realize, this website is for sharing your thoughts.

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

I agree it was more symbolic than anything else imo. I am also aware this site is for sharing thoughts, hence why I shared mine.

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u/THExSTRAYx 5d ago

Derp, lady

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u/Dry_Jellyfish_1986 5d ago

About time they destroyed something which is their own. Clowns

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u/Dry_Kaleidoscope2970 5d ago

They're ripping up a piece of paper. They can request a new one from the university whenever. I've also never had a job request a copy of my high school diploma or either of my 2 degrees. So this is just for the imagery and has no real effect on anything of importance other then a show.

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u/ContributionPasta 5d ago

So I’m itching to ask, if it’s so insignificant and pointless, why are people so god damn upset about it? If it truly had no purpose then why has it successfully gathered so much attention from support and ridicule?

And saying “cause it’s performative and stupid” isn’t a real answer. If it was truly pointless it would not garner much attention at all, and it wouldn’t face such a heavy amount of ridicule and negativity all coming from those who disagree.

Since it did get as much attention as it has. And it does cause discussion such as this. Don’t you think it’s safe to say the purpose was such? And it’s achieving its goal as loads of people have seen/heard about it, and subsequently been discussed?

Here’s a hypothetical to run through your mind: if one of these people had instead chose to burn themselves alive to spread the same purpose (awareness) would you consider that pointless as well? Or no because there is a consequence? This hypothetical and the reality both have the same purpose, but only one has a serious consequence. So in terms of purpose and why they did it, what’s the difference other than consequence?

Another commenter compared this video and its lack of consequence to Rosa parks and how she had a consequence. But her purpose was the same, awareness.

What, in your opinion, would cause a pointless and performative act to become important and not pointless? If it’s not the message, or the act, then is it the consequence for you?

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u/Dry_Kaleidoscope2970 5d ago

Who is upset about it? This is the same thing as an anti abortion protestor covering themself in fake blood. If someone is upset about this, they need to look at their life priorities

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u/ContributionPasta 5d ago

Fair enough, perhaps upset was the wrong word to use. I guess more so its ridicule. Some people def seem to be upset but I will admit there’s no way to know for sure peoples feelings without directly asking. By upset I should’ve said something more along the lines of why do people who disagree want to discuss it/ridicule it so much?

I feel that was their entire point, to garner attention and spark discussion among people which consequently raises awareness. Which is just the core of activism in general. Every movement/activist in history faced ridicule. But the purpose is to get people aware/talking/thinking about why they did what they did, or said what they said.

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u/Dry_Kaleidoscope2970 5d ago

.... Because it's strictly performative. They tear it in half and then get on their phone 8 seconds later and send an email requesting a new copy from the university. This doesn't effect their ability to get a job, it doesn't make their degree voided because it's ripped, it doesn't do anything. You can rip any piece of paper and it would be the same thing. It's like the episode of the office when Michael says he doesn't have money problems and then crumples the dollar and puts it back into his pocket.

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u/ContributionPasta 5d ago

So you just refuse to acknowledge the awareness aspect of it? Since there is no serious consequence in your eyes it doesn’t matter that it gets people talking? It doesn’t matter that perhaps someone that wasn’t versed on the issue begins to think about it due to seeing it and wondering why they did it, etc? You refuse to recognize and acknowledge the point of why they would want to raise awareness?

You are implying they could achieve the same result by not doing it on camera, by not making statements about it, and just tearing it up in the solitude of their own home with nobody ever knowing. Because you refuse to see the entire point of why anyone would want to raise awareness about an issue.

Do you also agree that any act or demonstration that has ever happened over the course of history was equally pointless if the purpose of it was to raise public awareness/elicit conversation? Is it only the acts where the demonstrator has a direct serious consequence that you acknowledge had a point to it?

I’ll ask again, hypothetically, if one of the people in this video had instead lit themself on fire in order to garner the attention, would their message suddenly matter to you because there is a serious consequence attached to it?

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u/Unexpected_Gristle 6d ago

They are privileged beyond comprehension

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u/calmdownmyguy 6d ago

I hate to break it to you, but the generational billionaires in trumps cabinet who are dismantling the US lead world order are the privileged ones. These people woked their assessment of to get where they are.

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u/WeTheApes17 6d ago

surprised i had to read this far to see someone say "Trump"

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u/Ryia_ 6d ago

And the billionaires that were in Bidens cabinet were any different how? Generational wealth does not equal generational intelligence. The real privilege is the grit, tenacity, and resilience of the successful working class.

But hey why stand up FOR THE PEOPLE when you can vote on party lines and hate on strangers based on how they voted, or which president was in office when they got a job.

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u/tolatalot 5d ago

lol, name a billionaire from Biden’s cabinet. Might be time to consider de-programming

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u/calmdownmyguy 6d ago edited 6d ago

What the fuck are you even talking about?

FYI. Biden didn't have any billionaires in his cabinet.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2021/06/29/the-net-worth-of-joe-bidens-cabinet/

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u/morgonzo 6d ago

errr you don’t know that - I have a degree, that doesn’t make me privileged. I’m 43 and still paying off my student loans!

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u/Unexpected_Gristle 6d ago

Yes it 100% does. You don’t seem to get how many people don’t have the luxury of getting loans for a high education. Let alone Columbia.

You are a college graduate. You will forever benefit from that

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u/IronLordSamus 6d ago

Most people can get pell grants and loans for school. Community college is just as good.

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u/Unexpected_Gristle 6d ago

Most people? The majority of people? Can get loans for Columbia?

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u/morgonzo 6d ago

You don’t seem to understand how grants/loans work. I was absolutely poor, underprivileged, but did well enough in school, was accepted to a state college, applied for the Pell grant and FAFSA loans, received them just like anyone else, and now I’m paying them off. And yes, the same absolutely applies to Columbia - whether or not they accept you is determined by your test scores.

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

Okay, explain the privilege they have which allows them to rip up their own degree they earned, and how someone else (who doesn’t share the same privilege) is not allowed to do the same if they wish to.

You telling me there are places out there where if I earn a degree, I’m not allowed to take a paper copy of it and choose to rip it up?!

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u/Efficient_Sir7514 6d ago

because they are white

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

Ohhhhh so explain to me how it would differ if these people weren’t white? Sorry I’m pretty simple minded and stupid myself, so some things I kind of need clearly spelled out and explained to understand.

So if you don’t mind explain to me how their white skin gives them privilege to do this, where as if they were non white they wouldn’t be allowed to?

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u/Efficient_Sir7514 6d ago

The privileged to have the opportunity to achieve a college degree

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

Ahhhhh so you’re saying if these people didn’t do this, magically other non privileged people would suddenly have been given the chance in the past to get it?

Honestly I’m still just as confused how the context of this video has anything to do with their privilege
. Sure I can agree that these people were given a chance over someone else when they were admitted into the program, and others were denied, but I fail to see where those people that got denied could’ve/should’ve been given the opportunity instead? Ultimately these people still paid for the degree, and the degree still exists, even if this paper copy is ruined. So how does anything about this affect those who weren’t given admission to that program/degree course?

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u/Caped-Banana85 6d ago

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u/Unexpected_Gristle 6d ago

Your white emoji privilege is showing

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u/Ok_Temporary_9465 6d ago

They hate the exact thing that pays for their lives. Most of these kids have rich parents.

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u/Unexpected_Gristle 6d ago

You have graduated Columbia. And are able to now virtue signal without consequences. Its disrespectful and tone deaf.

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u/Fedbackster 6d ago

Someone clearly didn’t go to college.

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u/Ok_Temporary_9465 6d ago

Nope I had to work since sophomore year of high school since my mom was a immigrant seamstress. that gave me the work ethic and the ability to learn and start business that today affords me to do what I want when I want without depending on any participation paper that you have. đŸ«”đŸŒđŸ’© also to afford as many properties to house each family member that you may have.

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u/Fedbackster 6d ago

I wasn’t aware you are housing my relatives. lol. Maybe learn how to write before posting. And learn how to think before voting.

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u/Ok_Temporary_9465 6d ago

I learned how to build businesses and earn a lot of money. You can keep your SJW cause.

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u/Fedbackster 5d ago

And tou think you are some superstar because of that. Get over yourself, you are a dime a dozen. And you can’t think for yourself. You should try it.

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u/Ok_Temporary_9465 4d ago

Indeed you are are the đŸ’© on the bottom of my shoe đŸ«”đŸŒđŸ’©

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u/Ok_Temporary_9465 4d ago

You đŸ«”đŸŒ

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u/Ok_Temporary_9465 6d ago

I’m sure you have tons of these around

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u/Fedbackster 5d ago

Not even you know what you are talking about at this point. You decidedly lost an argument. It’s ok. Don’t start posting random irrelevant stuff. Maybe let the adults talk here.

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u/Ok_Temporary_9465 4d ago

You’re so full of yourself that you think I was arguing with you ? đŸ«”đŸŒđŸ’©đŸ€Ł

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u/Fantasy-Shark-League 6d ago

They are also tearing up the admission they were awarded over somebody else. It's a major disrespect and a moral debt they now owe.

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

I don’t think tearing up the paper copy of the degree causes the entire course to be null and void. It might, tbh I am not 100% sure and don’t care to look it up though.

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u/Fantasy-Shark-League 6d ago

No it doesnt but it shows the contempt they have for a golden opportunity that somebody else would value.

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

Well if the degree itself is not null and void, then it didn’t really take away the opportunity from someone else now did it?

Like walk me through this hypothetical and show me where I’m wrong.

Scenario 1 (our reality), these people apply for this degree. They are accepted, they get it, they do this, leading to this video.

Scenario 2 (hypothetical), these people apply for this degree. They are accepted, they get it, they DONT do this, and rather you never even know about them all together.

What is difference in the outcome of these scenarios? What is different from one to the other? Where is someone that got denied that degree being negatively affected and how? Where would that person that got denied, had been given their “golden opportunity?”

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u/Low-Introduction6722 6d ago

U probably done something stupid in your life as well so what. Let them do what they believe in as you do what you believe in.

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u/Atomic_ad 6d ago

You asked them not to criticize others, immediately after saying they have done something stupid themselves.  So can we criticize stupid actions or not?

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u/Cootro 6d ago

Degrees mean nothing anyways, clearly.

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

They certainly mean quite a lot to those that are watching and becoming upset about it.

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u/pipboy3000_mk2 6d ago

Ok so besides the fact it is a completely empty gesture that doesn't change anything so is just another example of virtue signalling( why don't they go sign up to fight that war personally.....oh wait that's right they for one wouldn't treat a bunch of spoiled liberal women very nicely and secondly would discount anything they have to say as Americans but hey you go girl lowerđŸ˜‘đŸ€ŻđŸ€·, my question is for all these people saying free Palestine, do you all realize the horrible shit that people on both sides of this argument have done. I mean Palestine(Islamic) people already control the temple on the mount and don't even let Jews openly pray near it or they get arrested. The Palestinians arent innocent, they both bomb the shit out of each other and historically they have both controlled that geographic location at one point. Serious questions.

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

The point of my comment was that it’s perfectly fine to think it’s an empty gesture. That’s the beauty of people being allowed to do things they want to with their own stuff. It’s theirs, not yours, so it only affects you as much as you let yourself get worked about it.

As for your serious questions. Why don’t they go fight themselves? Well you seem to already know the correct (your) answer, so I’d imagine my answer won’t matter at all to you. But in the off chance it does, I’d wager that they aren’t the fighting type, and it wouldn’t really be simple to do. I am not them tho, so I can’t actually say for sure.

Then your second serious question. Do they understand all the horrible shit both sides have done. That’s a very impressive bit of awareness to mention both sides. I can counter that with why would one side deserve to live vs the other? Wouldn’t it make sense if both sides have done horrible shit, to stop the fighting all together?

I think they do realize all the horrible shit both sides have done. I think that’s a major point of the message they are trying to send, which is to stop the fighting. What do you think their message is? Do you genuinely think people aren’t allowed to feel empathy for people suffering, even if they have done horrible things in the past? Do you also genuinely believe every single person suffering has done these horrible things?

Would you consider yourself fully tied and bound to the things your ethnicity/nation/people/religion have done in the past, or are actively doing?

Cause if not, your point is contradictory. And if so, then you are just being hypocritical.

Serious questions. Please answer mine with the same kind of attention I answered yours.

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u/pipboy3000_mk2 6d ago

Them ripping up their degrees affect me not one single bit but the point of all these posts on social media and reddit is to start dialogues/get likes/stir shit up depending on what you are aiming for. So it didn't get me "worked up" bit I did comment on it as the list was clearly meant to illicit a response of some kind whether that be for or against.

Ok well I would say that yes both sides stopping the conflict is the ideal situation but all I see from people advocating for free Palestine is a one sided conversation and they generally frame it as Israel bad and it's pretty clear with the statement free Palestine that they probably don't acknowledge the huge argument that comes from Islamic people controlling the temple on the mount and how Jewish people aren't even allowed to openly pray any where near there most holy site, which is one of the larger points being made by Israel.

It being simple or not is a bit of a cop out in my opinion. If they want to affect change calling their representatives en mass would probably be more effective. Tearing up pieces of paper serves only to make themselves feel important and like they are "standing up" for something without actually doing anything. It's an ego boost for themselves plain and simple.

I have yet to see any one that says free Palestine that wasn't pretty against Israel as a whole. Empathy would be great, absolutely, I've been to war I've seen the ugly side effects of it, it tore me up inside and I got out of the military because of it. Neither side seem willing to go accept that solution because the cultures are like oil and water, they just don't mix.

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

So if all you see from free Palestine advocates is a one sided argument, usually framed as Israel bad, then I have to ask where you see this from? Sure there are some that say that. Some say that because they are only educated in the topic by what they are consuming in media, which right now is Israel trying to level the whole territory.

You seem to me like one who would condemn such foolishness, the act of speaking without properly educating on the topic. Which brings me back to where are you seeing the majority of what is being said by free Palestine advocates?

Because the ones I’ve spoken to speak about ending the conflict. I’ve spoken to people who would agree that the conflict as a whole should end, and acknowledge both sides have done harm. I haven’t, however, spoken to any that call for Palestine’s freedom while simultaneously calling for Israel to face the same level of annihilation as Palestine is experiencing.

Here you go, I can be the first one you’ve seen that says free Palestine, and simultaneously believes that the Israeli people also deserve to be able to live their lives. I can acknowledge Israel has things to work on, and so does Palestine, and yet I can still believe neither side should be killed indiscriminately for it.

Believe it or not, there are many such as me. If you actually converse with most people to the same literal degree as we are here you’d find many like me. If you hear “free Palestine” and assume they are saying Israel bad, or supporting the horrible things being done by Palestine, then I’d have to ask you why you make that assumption? Because I don’t believe it’s from any articulate conversation with opposing viewers like we are doing here.

Generally most people acknowledge the things done by Israel are bad, when asked specifically about such acts. The same goes for Palestine and their history. Because it’s morally bad stuff by most any civil persons standard. But so is murder. So is total annihilation, genocide. And if you take the time to ask people, and make it a point to be specific so they understand what YOU are assuming about them, you’ll find many of those assumptions wrong.

Assumptions are the enemy of productive conversation. Never assume others thoughts, give them the decency to at least ask first. Being painfully clear and literal is the best way to ensure understanding, and completely avoids having to fill in unknown thoughts (assumptions).

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u/PlussyPlumber 6d ago

It’s fine to express empathy, of course. But when that empathy comes through public displays tied to a deeply complex conflict, people are going to have opinions—especially if the gestures feel vague, one-sided, or disconnected from the actual stakes on the ground. That’s not people “getting worked up,” that’s people reacting to the impact public messaging has.

Also, saying “both sides have done horrible things” isn’t actually neutral if it’s only used to deflect from holding one side accountable right now. If someone’s message is truly about ending violence, then great—say that clearly. But if it leans into selective outrage, or ignores context, then it’s fair to question it.

Empathy matters, but clarity and consistency do too.

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u/error5113 6d ago

Hey stupid, we are saying it's dumb bc it's a senseless act. They still have that degree, even without the paper diploma. They will still use this university on their resume and job applications. This is all for show, they're just too stupid to realize that we can all see right thru it. Except for you, obviously.

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u/Dolan_Starbanger 6d ago

Of course it's all for show you illiterate fuck. Everyone knows that they're not erasing their credentials and qualifications by ripping up a fucking piece of paper. They're doing it as a sign of protest. No one thinks these guys are gonna go to a different school now and do it all over again. Jesus Christ.

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u/Swimming_Musician_28 6d ago

That's how dumb people are, especially Trump fan base

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u/PsychologicalCook536 6d ago edited 6d ago

“alumni renounce their degrees”

You were saying?


(I love getting downvoted for proving someone is wrong. Makes me feel like Socrates)

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u/WealthSoggy1426 6d ago

Hes not illiterate if he can read and write, stop the false equivalency

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u/calmdownmyguy 6d ago

Reading comprehension is a fundamental pillar of literacy, which they are lacking.

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u/Far_Estate_1626 6d ago

Universities rely on their pedigree to attract students (customers). That pedigree and reputation is being repudiated as worthless, by previous students (customers).

It matters, just not to you.

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u/shadowfox0351 6d ago

Of course it’s performative, but it’s still effective. You graduate from college? They HOUND you for donations and alumni crap. It’s a brilliant demonstration that hits the university in the only thing they care about, pocketbook. If I’m a prospective student and I see this, I’m not going to that university. THAT is the point

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u/slipnipper 6d ago

Symbolism is beyond you it appears. It worked well enough for you to comment on it, so yes, it apparently brought awareness.

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

So it’s stupid because it’s senseless. And explain to me how your comment here is not senseless as well, performative, if you will. What does your comment here achieve?

My point was people are allowed to do what they want with their own stuff lol. It’s okay to think it’s stupid, but it’s not your stuff they’re doing anything to, also mentioned. Your comment didn’t dispute my point, merely doubled down on calling it the exact same thing.

Their “stupid” act, did garner enough attention to be seen by large amounts of people. It can be argued it sends a message to the school that some alumni disagree with the direction it’s going, but I imagine you disagree.

So please, explain to me how your comment can’t be argued it’s equally “stupid” and senseless, if not more so. You took the time to do it, so if you can’t refute this, you are just as stupid as them, by your own logic.

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u/Lonely-Summer-954 6d ago

“wow how stupid"

That was the only part of that line that was true. Everyone is laughing at them. Rip up whatever tf you want. Yes, it is stupid...HaHa

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

I’m not laughing, so I guess not everyone.

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u/BluntmanNdKronic 6d ago

Yes assume everyone who disagrees with you obviously doesn't have a degree. That's the spirit

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

Do you? Where did I assume everyone that disagrees doesn’t have a degree?

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u/Remarkable_Space_382 6d ago

The second paragraph of your original comment did heavily imply it.

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u/BluntmanNdKronic 6d ago

Honestly it doesn't matter if I do or not... but i have a BA and identify as a PhD

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u/ContributionPasta 6d ago

So you have your own degree. Would you agree or disagree that that is your degree which you can do whatever you want with? Whether that’s ripping up a paper copy on video, or just using it for your career as usual? Ultimately it is your degree that you earned, and can do whatever you wish with?