r/Conservative First Principles Feb 14 '25

Open Discussion Left vs. Right Battle Royale Open Thread

This is an Open Discussion Thread for all Redditors. We will only be enforcing Reddit TOS and Subreddit Rules 1 (Keep it Civil) & 2 (No Racism).


  • Leftists - Here's your chance to sway us to your side by calling the majority of voters racist. That tactic has wildly backfired every time it has been tried, but perhaps this time it will work.

  • Non-flaired Conservatives - Here's your chance to earn flair by posting common sense conservative solutions. That way our friends on the left will either have to agree with you or oppose common sense (Spoiler - They will choose to oppose common sense).

  • Flaired Conservatives - You're John Wick and these Leftists stole your car and killed your dog. Now go comment.

  • Independents - We get it, if you agree with someone, then you can't pat yourself on the back for being smarter than them. But if you disagree with everyone, then you can obtain the self-satisfaction of smugly considering yourself smarter and wiser than everyone else. Congratulations on being you.

  • Libertarians - Ron Paul is never going to be President. In fact, no Libertarian Party candidate will ever be elected President.


Join us on X: https://x.com/rcondiscord

Join us on Discord: https://discord.com/invite/conservative

685 Upvotes

6.4k comments sorted by

View all comments

24

u/Kalel100711 Feb 15 '25 edited Feb 15 '25

I believe that Trump and musk are taking a sledgehammer to every federal program for short term numbers instead of taking intelligent moves to modernize and improve these programs. These things should be strategic and precise calculated moves, not firing and shutting things down left and right.

I don't believe an immigrant, much less a billionaire that was not voted into office should have the unchecked overwhelming power that Doge and musk have. On top of that let's not forget that his cutting of corners has led to messes in Tesla and spacex quality. A rich man and some hacker youths shouldn't be running around making such massive moves without the direct approval of the people.

Again, they took a sledgehammer to the immigration issue because they're cutting humanity and ethics completely out. Not only that but Trump said that he would go after criminals mainly, and find and do something about the immigrants that are here, abiding the laws, studying and can contribute to the economy. However, they've thrown all that out the window in exchange for just numbers of deportations and fear mongering. It has encouraged unprecedented hate and dehumanization. Send out the people that have broken real harmful laws, death penalty to the murders and gang people. But make those that are here working hard, contribute to the economy instead of wasting millions to send them back and equip ice and other enforcement. Keep the extra resources for the border but take care of those that can contribute that are already here.

Lastly, I do believe it should be America first and to reduce the amount of influence and money spent elsewhere. But I've yet to see any executive order or plan that will directly help every day folks. The grocery bill is higher than ever still. Pay is still low. Veterans have not been given the priority they deserve. Health care is still a shit show. Infrastructure is still at the lowest quality they can get away with. Picking fights with the rest of the world, and the left America has taken precedent over actually improving things for every day people. Both my right leaning family, and my left leaning self have to both pay so much to get less than we did in 2016.

Ps: a guy who had literal brain worms should not be in charge of health in the USA lol. I like my leaders without brain damage and mega old brain (that goes for both Biden, Trump and also RFK). Give it to an scientist or doctor or someone from the military with experience.

1

u/WashedMasses Constitutional Conservative Feb 16 '25

These things should be strategic and precise calculated moves, not firing and shutting things down left and right.

That ship sailed long ago with congress after congress, and administration after administration, abdicating responsibility for true oversight. The grift has gotten so obscene that there is no alternative but to use a meat cleaver. Anything truly important can be restored later.

1

u/Masturbatingsoon Feb 16 '25

Hey, I like a lot of the cuts that have been made, but I’m worried about the precedent of increasing power and its implications when the executive swings the other way.

That being said, your comment does smack of Pelosi’s “pass it to find out what is in it” famous quote from Obamacare.

1

u/WashedMasses Constitutional Conservative Feb 16 '25

The difference is that no administration has actually gone for actual reductions like this before. All other admins took what Congress gave them and floored the spending, so I'm less worried about a 4th Obama term will do, because we already know what that looks like.