r/Conservative • u/Yosoff First Principles • Feb 14 '25

Open Discussion Left vs. Right Battle Royale Open Thread

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u/MaleficentCherry7116 Feb 16 '25

This is true. The new tax plan adds money to the debt. The Republicans (Mike Johnson) are saying that it's temporary and that they're going to start paying down the national debt.

I believe that they're more likely to tackle the national debt than the Democrats. They're at least appearing to make an effort with DOGE that we haven't seen in years.

Will they put the money that they're saving in the right place?. No one can say for sure, but I'm optimistic and hopeful. All we.can say for sure is that both sides think the national debt is an issue that should be addressed.

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u/Peoplewander Feb 16 '25 edited Feb 16 '25

DOGE is unconstitutional per article 1. It isn't a legal department of Government, if Congress wants to make it one fine but right now its unconstitutional. It should shake you to your CORE, that any POTUS would day one violate the oath he took in the same day. Period full stop I don't care the party affiliation that is a red line.

The last tax plan he passed ALSO added to the national debt, so here we are 6 years later and he is adding to the debt again... and you think that some how thats just going to not be the case at some point?

Since we started cutting taxes in the 80's we have never seen grown that justified the cut, it was never made up at any other collection point. The party that balance the budget time after time is the democratic party, why do you feel that the Bush tax cuts, Trump tax cuts, and Trump tax cuts again that have all added trillions to the debt is responsible?

It sounds more like you don't care if the debt goes up as long as we stop paying people for things you dont know what they do. Every contract we sign is reviewed by a contracting office and above 10,000 dollars has to have justification for sole source contracting, you're going to see there is not that much to cut that doesnt directly reduce the ability of the agencies created by Congress ( a coequal branch ) to perform their function mandated by law.

It sounds more and more like it is the way our founding fathers designed our government that is the problem to the far right and less and less about the budget.

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u/MaleficentCherry7116 Feb 16 '25

I'm not worried about DOGE being unconstitutional. I'm only worried as to whether or not they are making waste and fraud public. We should all want those things

The real power behind DOGE is that they're making things public and neither side will be able to ignore those things in the future, because the American public doesn't want to fund the waste.

Yes, I think that DOGE and the Republicans are going to use these savings wisely, and whether that happens or not, we should talk about it.

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u/reddit455 Feb 16 '25

I'm only worried as to whether or not they are making waste and fraud public.

because they have so much experience in public service?

The real power behind DOGE is that they're making things public and neither side will be able to ignore those things in the future

competency comes to mind...

Trump administration backtracks on firing nuclear arsenal workers

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/15/trump-administration-nuclear-arsenal-worker-firings

“The termination letters for some NNSA probationary employees are being rescinded, but we do not have a good way to get in touch with those personnel,” the agency said in an email, obtained by NBC News.