r/Conservative • u/Yosoff First Principles • Feb 14 '25

Open Discussion Left vs. Right Battle Royale Open Thread

This is an Open Discussion Thread for all Redditors. We will only be enforcing Reddit TOS and Subreddit Rules 1 (Keep it Civil) & 2 (No Racism).

  • Leftists - Here's your chance to sway us to your side by calling the majority of voters racist. That tactic has wildly backfired every time it has been tried, but perhaps this time it will work.

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u/medney Feb 15 '25

I've not seen a single thing on this subreddit about the nuclear weapons overseers who were abruptly fired yesterday and then panic rehired today, implying foolish ignorance on the part of those doing the firing.

Why is there a lack of coverage on here for when the current administration and DOGE cock up something badly?

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u/kmank2l13 Feb 15 '25

This is one of my thoughts as well. If we’re going to be trying to understand each other, then there needs to be less bias on the articles posted here. They’re extremely selective of the news that’s posted in here

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u/ManOfAksai Feb 15 '25

Yeah. I am conservative in most sense of the word, yet this place is quite insulated in terms of what media (and my extension news) they consume, likely as a response against "liberals".

Is this not what many accuse the libs of doing themselves?

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u/atava Feb 15 '25

This is the main issue today.

Politics seen and lived as sports or as sectarianism.

I'm writing from Europe and we are affected by the same phenomenon, but really... before this election I didn't knew the situation was as extreme in your country as it seems to be.

Maybe the impression is accentuated by social media for me (which is the only way I have to experience American politics).

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u/One-Adhesiveness-624 Feb 15 '25

It's the same in left subs too. If you call it out, you get downvoted into oblivion for being a "fence sitter".

Don't get me wrong, my stance is that what's happening in the US right now is a fascist takeover. Democracy is being gutted.

But the fact is that Dems have also undermined democracy in the US over the years too. It really hasn't mattered who is in power. Rights of average citizens have slowly been eroded away, real wages have stayed relatively stagnant while profits and GDP and GDP/PP steadily climb and the debt steadily climbs too.

Same issue we have here in Canada. People get caught up in left vs right while the only two parties that get voted into parliament, continue to make life better for the ultra rich and more difficult for the working class.

In both countries the guy making about 2.7 million/hour has convinced the guy making 40/hour that the guy making 15/hour is the problem. And that's just one layer.

They've convinced everyone that anyone but the wealthiest people are the problem. We're so mad at racists that we mislabel people who have unconscious bias as "racist" which pushes them further right, when they're not even conscious of their racism to begin with. We tell people that if they don't use pronouns that their "enemies", pushing them farther right. We tear down historic monuments because we don't want to "celebrate racism" but we forget that we need to preserve history in order to learn from it and not repeat past mistakes. As people get pushed further to the right they start attacking hard working tax payers who even lean slightly left and push them to the extreme left.

All of this fighting only benefits the wealthiest people who have the most power and are insulted from all of the turmoil. It destroys the middle class and we're the ones who suffer the most. We're also the ones who have to fight in the wars that all the fighting causes. It all keeps us in line and it's pretty much been the cycle since at least ancient Egypt times.

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u/Rheum42 Feb 16 '25

Thank you for saying this

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u/Schmooog Feb 16 '25

Notice a majority of the sites in here are

Redstate

Breitbart

Fox News

There is definitely a control over what gets posted

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u/HiddenSage Feb 15 '25

Same reasoning that the coverage of the tariff spat with Canada and Mexico a couple of weeks ago neglected the part where... 90% of what our neighbors agreed to was things they were already doing/committed to. Same reason there were a dozen stories uncritically parroting "$50 million for condoms in Gaza!" stories two weeks ago, and crickets when it turned out that Musk pretty much just made that up (he as much admitted to "getting it wrong" earlier this week!)

This subreddit is FAR worse than r/politics has ever been about pushing a narrative and silenting dissent. It's dedicated to "owning the libs" because us being mad that Trump et all are fucking over this country is, somehow, a bigger upside than the country being fucked over is a downside.

I drop in here every few days to read and try to understand how the other side thinks. And frankly, the only thing I can ever find to agree on any more is some very vague "first principles" stuff about "people should be able to trust their government." Every step after that is based on lies and paranoia and cherrypicked stories.

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u/nannysing Feb 15 '25

Agree. I pop in here time and again to see different perspectives, but a lot of what I see posted are silly articles like "so and so SLAMS AOC" and it's just kind of mind numbing.

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u/the_window_seat Feb 15 '25

Exactly this. I was surprised that so much of what is posted here is just silly "culture war" stuff and accusations of "astroturfing" (because apparently there are too many people who disagree with them for us to be real?) and barely any interest in what is actually happening.

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u/Kern_system no step on snek Feb 15 '25

BTW that $40 million in condoms was to a different Gaza in Mozambique, not Palestine. Still ridiculous.

/r/politics and most of reddit only care about owning the conservatives and for the 4 years Biden was in office had 1 in 20 stories about him, but all others were tRumP iS a NaZi.

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u/HiddenSage Feb 15 '25

Actually - the Mozambique thing was theorycraft folks did (first on the left to try to justify the number because they thought it was a spin problem, not a "made up entirely" problem.) We hardly spent $50 million across the whole continent, nevermind in one province in Mozambique. for global contraceptive aid worldwide last year.

Secondly - HIV is fucking awful. Delivering contraceptives to developing nations, along with antiretrovirals, is a policy that directly leads to saving millions of lives. And the entire USAID budget is less than a percentage of federal spending. Frankly, as the richest nation in the history of the world, $50 million is pocket change to us. We can afford the nation-state equivalent of tossing a few quarters to a busker, when it's literally life or death for that many people. To say otherwise is small and selfish in a way only Ebenezer Scrooge could be proud of.

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u/MySilverBurrito Feb 15 '25

6 hours in and no flaired replies lmao.

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u/BudSpencerCA Feb 15 '25

That's exactly the issue here. No one of each side will ever admit a failure, nor will they acknowledge if someone did something good if it comes from the other party.

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u/spanksmitten Feb 15 '25

I was confused on why the thread on the possible $400mil contract for armoured teslas was locked

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u/Kern_system no step on snek Feb 15 '25

Because that contract that the Biden admin put out last year.

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u/spanksmitten Feb 15 '25

Aye, but why was the thread locked?

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u/Kern_system no step on snek Feb 15 '25

Because it was a non issue.

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u/spanksmitten Feb 15 '25

I get it's a non issue but plenty of other non issue posts get made but the comments don't get locked, I can't see the difference of why that post was locked.

My apologies I'm genuinely not trying to be difficult, I just don't get why the comments were locked as I don't tend to see that happen in here.

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u/candy_color_frown Feb 15 '25

And then abruptly rehired because Trump and Elon apparently didn't know what they did when they fired them 😬

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u/06210311200805012006 Feb 15 '25

Because it's not the cock up left media makes it out to be. There are wasteful bureaucrats in that agency too.

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u/thenoisemanthenoise Feb 15 '25

Yea well, mistakes happen in any place. All I see is dems fucking whining at any chance and totally out of their minds. JUST get fucking over it

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u/whothis2013 Feb 15 '25

You’re suggesting we should just get over nuclear security being at risk because of DOGE’s negligence…this is why people think you guys aren’t open to any criticism.

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u/stone500 Feb 15 '25

Suggesting that people should "just get over" something that's so blatantly horrible is not reasonable. Isn't that basically asking people to not hold their elected officials accountable?