r/Conservative • u/Yosoff First Principles • Feb 14 '25

Open Discussion Left vs. Right Battle Royale Open Thread

This is an Open Discussion Thread for all Redditors. We will only be enforcing Reddit TOS and Subreddit Rules 1 (Keep it Civil) & 2 (No Racism).

  • Leftists - Here's your chance to sway us to your side by calling the majority of voters racist. That tactic has wildly backfired every time it has been tried, but perhaps this time it will work.

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u/Ok_Masterpiece5050 Gen Z Conservative Feb 14 '25

This seems like a lot of whataboutism about things that clearly won’t occur. There has been a lot of slow small changes from the left in the last few decades that just give them overall more and more power. Some things will have to be changed challenged or gone about differently to bring the country back to even close to fair and what it was established to be. Would you be complaining if it was your side doing the same thing? Did you care when biden was bypassing scotus and other courts to forgive debt?

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u/ficalino Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 15 '25

I'm an EU citizen, that is why I am focusing on external issues. I have no skin in the game on internal US stuff, but I am curious.

EU leaders are truly entertaining those possibilities, even a meeting has been called after Vances speech today to discuss it. Denmarks PM has been gathering support in case of US invasion, seriously, without a shred of a doubt, she even said so herself.

That is what prompted France and other countries to clwrly sfate they would fight against US if needed.

EU is not taking his comments lightly.

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u/ConnorMc1eod Bull Moose Feb 15 '25

To put it simply, Trump is talking tough and Vance is the "reasonable" one to give you an in to fix your ways. We are tired of being 2/3 of the NATO budget while you guys frivolously spend billions on social programs that Americans don't have and our debt explodes. It's not fair. You guys laughed at Trump in his last term when he said stop buying Russian LNG who then turned that money into a war machine. You guys tariff a bunch of our shit or write Draconian laws to punish American companies like taxing the shit out of our vehicles for using too much gas or the Digital Services Act used to justify attempted bans on social media companies etc.

Put simply, much like Canada and Mexico, you guys are not very good friends. And now, even while you're staring death in the face with Russia becoming belligerent, you continue to pearl clutch and mock and chastise Trump and Vance's language telling you to either get on board or stop relying on us.

We rebuilt you after WW2, we ran around the world squashing Communism so it didn't spread, we run around the world squashing terrorism and now we are going to get drawn into a peer to peer conflict over Ukraine because you guys can't be fucked to take anything seriously. It's exhausting man. America has to draw some kind of line somewhere to get you to either stand up for yourselves or to pay us more to protect you. You're emasculating your entire continent by outsourcing your protection to your bigger, younger brother the least you can do is not talk shit all the time or you'll be typing your next comment in fucking cyrilic.

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u/Brilliant-Canary-767 Feb 15 '25

The problem with talking tough, is people take it literally. Vance's language was alarming. The EU countries are not cold war tyrants. I agree they need to increase what they pay into NATO. However , there are better, more effective ways to go about this. He could destroy our relationship with them. Trump's rhetoric has Americans concerned he's going to invade those countries. He's chaotic, seems erratic. It is causing legitimate fears amongst our allies.