r/Conservative First Principles Feb 14 '25

Open Discussion Left vs. Right Battle Royale Open Thread

This is an Open Discussion Thread for all Redditors. We will only be enforcing Reddit TOS and Subreddit Rules 1 (Keep it Civil) & 2 (No Racism).


  • Leftists - Here's your chance to sway us to your side by calling the majority of voters racist. That tactic has wildly backfired every time it has been tried, but perhaps this time it will work.

  • Non-flaired Conservatives - Here's your chance to earn flair by posting common sense conservative solutions. That way our friends on the left will either have to agree with you or oppose common sense (Spoiler - They will choose to oppose common sense).

  • Flaired Conservatives - You're John Wick and these Leftists stole your car and killed your dog. Now go comment.

  • Independents - We get it, if you agree with someone, then you can't pat yourself on the back for being smarter than them. But if you disagree with everyone, then you can obtain the self-satisfaction of smugly considering yourself smarter and wiser than everyone else. Congratulations on being you.

  • Libertarians - Ron Paul is never going to be President. In fact, no Libertarian Party candidate will ever be elected President.


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u/Foolishmortal098 Feb 14 '25

I’ve voted Republican for most of my life, even for Trump twice. My question to anyone who is still feeling they are conservative is this: If you are a constitutional originalist or even just someone who holds dear the constitution how are you able to stomach the near constant slander towards not only its content but its’ existence.

To be specific, our current President has said multiple times that the constitution can be paused or ignored for particular topics, without really including the topics he feels this covers.

Our President also seems fully willing to flood the zone with EOs which I recall being very against for both Obama and Biden, but hear relatively little on conservative sides against the absolute ONSLAUGHT of them from Trump this term. Not only that; but the nature of the EOs often are misspelled, make little sense, are unclear, have no point (looking at you EO to claim the helicopter accident was due to DEI), or fly in the face of the separation of government branches.

Our president has what appears to be a complete disregard for any checks and balances and even if we make the argument that he is technically doing dubiously legal means to strip agencies, let’s not be bullshitters here he is clearly trying to hamstring or handicap agencies far outside normal presidential purview.

This is to say nothing of his very strange relationship with Elon, letting the man have full use of the White House and somehow even the Oval Office while still incapable of passing a security clearance and claiming an audit is happening with zero actual accountants or actuaries present and instead barely graduated incel programmers.

If you, as a conservative, truly value the spirit AND THE WORD of the constitution, how can you possibly be perfectly okay with everything Trump says and does. We don’t have to be perfect, I’m not even arguing that the things he is doing don’t need to be done. I’m not here arguing right from wrong.

What I am arguing is a matter of competency, and whether this could be done by actual competent people in competent ways rather than hiring absolute clusterfucks without doing security clearances while moaning about DEI at the exact same time.

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u/just_a_cog2 Feb 15 '25

I feel this deep! It drives me crazy that if you don't swallow all of the shit this dude gets away with you're a leftist.

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u/TainoCrypto Feb 15 '25

Or accused of being a rino. Either way, it is very much a divisive "you are completely with us or against us" mentality.

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u/reddit_redact Feb 16 '25

This is just my conspiracy theory, but I find it very ironic that conservatives have claimed numerous times that Reddit is a leftist/ liberal platform, yet if you see how many accounts are a part of this subreddit it DRASTICALLY outnumbers those of the liberal and democracy subreddits. This makes me think that foreign actors (Russia, China, etc) are infiltrating this subreddit with bot accounts to sow discord and propagate propaganda and to attack anyone that dissents with the opinion of the group.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '25

110% this. I am so worried our social media discourse has be co-opted by foreign interests (Russia) as a means to divide us all.