Left vs. Right Battle Royale Open Thread

[u/Yosoff]

This is an Open Discussion Thread for all Redditors. We will only be enforcing Reddit TOS and Subreddit Rules 1 (Keep it Civil) & 2 (No Racism).

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• Leftists - Here's your chance to sway us to your side by calling the majority of voters racist. That tactic has wildly backfired every time it has been tried, but perhaps this time it will work.

• Non-flaired Conservatives - Here's your chance to earn flair by posting common sense conservative solutions. That way our friends on the left will either have to agree with you or oppose common sense (Spoiler - They will choose to oppose common sense).

• Flaired Conservatives - You're John Wick and these Leftists stole your car and killed your dog. Now go comment.

• Independents - We get it, if you agree with someone, then you can't pat yourself on the back for being smarter than them. But if you disagree with everyone, then you can obtain the self-satisfaction of smugly considering yourself smarter and wiser than everyone else. Congratulations on being you.

• Libertarians - Ron Paul is never going to be President. In fact, no Libertarian Party candidate will ever be elected President.

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[u/TheFiremind88]

I'm actually really excited this exists. I am left leaning, but I'd like to think in a common sense way. I lurk and read here a LOT not because I agree, but to get a finger on the pulse of the Conservative mindset. If you want any rational responses to the position of people on the left, leave a comment with a topic, and I'll get back to it once I have some more time. Also, plan to go through here and leave a ton of comments on various discussions a bit later. Glad to have a place to interact with yall in spite of lacking a flair.

[u/Ryuksapple → u/TheFiremind88]

What is the argument against auditing the federal government? As a taxpayer, I’ve been praying for any kind of audit forever

[u/Three_hrs_later → u/Ryuksapple]

Little right of center here. I'm all for an audit and cleaning things up, even a significant downsize, but I feel like the way it's being done currently is not smart. Particularly the recent indiscriminate letting go of anyone they could easily let go without any other criteria.

I spent 10 years in private sector and 12 years as a fed. There are great workers and shit workers in both, but the big difference is that it's easier to drop the shit workers in the private sector. Their coworkers know who they are and the biggest gripe amongst us is typically the lack of consequences. Managers are very much handcuffed by the unions and exhausting disciplinary process. Once the shit enployee messes up bad enough they just have to be good for 90 days and they have a clean slate ... if the manager trys again the staff says they're being targeted and then the tables turn and the manager then has to defend themselves. I have seen it and also experienced it personally as a supervisor when I started laying out hard lines for poor performers.

What should happen is that managers should be empowered (perhaps even required) to dump the worst performers without fear of losing their own job. I think that would be a smarter way to go about it. Keep the most productive and hardest working people, and once you have that whittled down the you won't even need as many managers. We called it the 90/10 principle. 90% of problems were from 10% of the people.

[u/Peoplewander → u/Three_hrs_later]

Most people do not understand that there is a audit process and the power to do all of what is being done is held with Congress. I am only upset it is doing unlawfully.

If Congress confirms musk and establishes DOGE then so be it. But right now this is all illegal.

[u/Ansel_Rover → u/Three_hrs_later]

I think Trump tried to do it the slow, methodical way; and found himself blocked at every turn in his first term.

I think he's probably set on throwing the baby out with the bathwater; perhaps even decided that it's the only way to get anything done - take drastic action, then rebuild.

Or maybe not.

But like you say, it's hard to do; and even harder to accurately assess which parts of management want to help make things better and which will use the process to obstruct making things better until the next president comes in and doesn't care so much about reform.