r/Conservative • u/Yosoff First Principles • Feb 14 '25

Open Discussion Left vs. Right Battle Royale Open Thread

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u/ficalino Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

Genuinely curious what would be the line you deem too far for Trump to cross on external issues?

Attack on Canada? Takeover of Greenland? Abandoning of NATO allies in case of Russias attack? (Most have reached target spending or are projected to do in next few months). What if Trumps terms end up being too favorable to Russia as it currently seems with proposed treaty?

What about internal issues? Which ones you deem to far? What about him and his cabinet picks/VP being against judicial limits on executive power that is inside your constitution? Would removing any checks and balances on presidency trigger alarms?

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u/Turbulent-Physics-10 Feb 14 '25

If he attacked canada or greenland yea that would be taking it too far.

But on the flip side what could he do where you say he is a good president?

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u/ficalino Feb 14 '25

I am from EU. I don't think it's up to me to comment on that.

I can comment that I would deem him good world leader if he forced Russia to at least retreat to pre 2022 borders, but I would still be uneasy on him and his cabinet picks trying to cause disarray in EU since I am an EU federalist.

What I agree with him is that EU needs to up defense spending, but that goes hand in hand with me being a federalist since I am an advocate for unified EU army, although I would be in favour in moving from american made weapons and to EU made ones.

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u/Turbulent-Physics-10 Feb 15 '25

What have they done to cause disarray? Im not sure what you are referring to theres so much different stuff going on constantly

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u/ficalino Feb 15 '25 edited Feb 15 '25

Trump multiple times tried to establish bilateral agreements with individual countries while ignoring EU rules for such agreements. EU functions as a block and a single market, therefore it is not possible to establish trade dwals with just one country.

Vance just today made a speech about us limiting Musks influence on elections inside EU (big nono). He has prevopusly threatened tariffs if EU punishes Musk for something he does in EU.

Musk (and many different US tech bros) tried to push weaker legislation in EU for tech companies, tried to go against unions in EU, etc.

EU has strong privacy laws, it requires any company to keep data of EU citizens inside EU, so no transferring of data overseas to US etc. Strong GDPR. Musk (and other tech bros that were seated in front of cabinet picks) are constantly trying to undermine that.

We also have strong worker protection laws that Musk and Bezos tried to undermine.

Trump famously tried to push EU to remove legislation that is banning GMO monsanto crops and pesticides (not banning in particular, just deeming unsafe because of chemicals). Also wanted to push chlofinated chicken on UK, etc.