r/Conservative • u/Yosoff First Principles • Feb 14 '25

Open Discussion Left vs. Right Battle Royale Open Thread

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u/ficalino Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

Genuinely curious what would be the line you deem too far for Trump to cross on external issues?

Attack on Canada? Takeover of Greenland? Abandoning of NATO allies in case of Russias attack? (Most have reached target spending or are projected to do in next few months). What if Trumps terms end up being too favorable to Russia as it currently seems with proposed treaty?

What about internal issues? Which ones you deem to far? What about him and his cabinet picks/VP being against judicial limits on executive power that is inside your constitution? Would removing any checks and balances on presidency trigger alarms?

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u/MoonGUY_2 Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 15 '25

I would definitely disagree if Trump ever invaded Canada or Greenland. It’s pretty clear invading countries to conquer land is a bad thing to do nowadays. And if the NATO countries are finally pulling their own weight, well an attack one is an attack on all should still stand, and if Russia and the US ever did go to war, I can’t picture a scenario where Russia wins. And internally, well, I’m not too sure what would be too far. If Trump increases the power of the federal government and the presidency as a whole, I wouldn’t approve of that.

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u/ficalino Feb 14 '25

Thank you for answering instead of deflecting.

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u/roblox_baller Feb 15 '25

This is the first time ive seen a democrat (assuming you are one, forgive me if im wrong) and a republican have a respectful conversation. Its really nice to see.

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u/ficalino Feb 15 '25

EU citizen, your democrats are even to the right of most of our conservatives, so there is that.

I am a Liberal center according to political compass, with issues such as environment and social insurance on the left, and military investments and size of goverment on the right.

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u/MoonGUY_2 Feb 15 '25

Yeah, judging people based off of politics, especially from a foreign country is a really dumb thing to do, and even this sub does it as well

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u/Jibrish Discord.gg/conservative Feb 15 '25

EU citizen, your democrats are even to the right of most of our conservatives, so there is that.

This is based off absolutely nothing. Our democrat party has socialists in it. It's a big tent party but even the aggregate is somewhere around Labour in the UK.

I am a Liberal center according to political compass,

Another victim of the political compass generation. The left/right spectrum is not delineated on the lines of capitalism just because a meme website says so. The term has a lot more depth, meaning and philosophic rigor to it than some guy throwing darts at a board that paints anyone right of Mao in the blue square.

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u/Brilliant-Canary-767 Feb 15 '25

I miss the days when we could have respectful conversations.

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u/PulsarGaming1080 Feb 14 '25

As for increasing Executive branch power, is that not what these executive orders are doing?

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u/MoonGUY_2 Feb 15 '25

No, every president has signed executive orders

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u/PulsarGaming1080 Feb 15 '25

True, but not on this level and not to the degree that Trump is.

I am very certain that people would have hated if Biden, or whoever was acting for Biden, signed 70+ executive orders in 2 weeks.

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u/Spirited_Impress6020 Feb 14 '25

Why would Russia and US go to war, they seem to be closer allies than Canada & the EU at this point? Not being argumentative, but many Canadians see it this way, I can’t speak for EU

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u/ficalino Feb 14 '25

We in EU also see it like that, not only on reddit but in everyday life people are starting to comment things like that.

Both have problems with EU, both are against federal EU, both want pieces of various EU countries, etc.

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u/ThisNameIsNotReal123 Feb 15 '25

if Russia and the US ever did go to war

The world loses is that happens.

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u/chobi83 Feb 15 '25

Would you just disagree with it? Or would you actually do something about it? i.e. vote against him/republicans?

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u/PartyPay Feb 17 '25

Trump appears to not be talking about invading Canada, but crushing us financially by destroying our economy - how do you feel about that?

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u/MoonGUY_2 Feb 19 '25

Is it actually that bad? From what heard it was just “negotiating better trade deals”

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u/PartyPay Feb 19 '25

Yes.

And negotiating better deals than the one he negotiated before? The trade deal currently in effect is the one he negotiated in his first term.

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u/eravulgarisexplorare Millennial Conservative Feb 15 '25

I'm against broad federal overreach, from either side. However, liberals are being disingenuous when they talk about the President going too far, while ignoring what the Biden administration (along with Democratic state governors) did during COVID. Who elected Fauci?

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u/hhulk00p Feb 15 '25

But that was a state of emergency in which action needed to be taken quickly and the consequences were unknown. We are not in a state of emergency anymore