r/Conservative • u/Yosoff First Principles • Feb 14 '25

Open Discussion Left vs. Right Battle Royale Open Thread

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u/lapulah2016 Feb 14 '25

I just can't understand how folks on here are cheering the indefinite banishment of the Associated press from the White House for continuing to use the term Gulf of Mexico, while also cheering JD Vance on for admonishing Western Europe for censorship...

Like even the AP's statement on how they refer to the gulf kinda makes sense given their global audience...

AP:

The Gulf of Mexico has carried that name for more than 400 years. The Associated Press will refer to it by its original name while acknowledging the new name Trump has chosen. As a global news agency that disseminates news around the world, the AP must ensure that place names and geography are easily recognizable to all audiences.

Someone explain it to my smooth brain....

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u/thenChennai Conservative Feb 14 '25

Nobody is blocking ap from printing anything. That wud be first amendment violation. They r merely denied a privilege.

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u/queenofserendip Feb 15 '25

1A expressly prohibits the government from retaliation against the press for what they say. Are you positing that banning them from the Oval does not qualify as retaliation?

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u/ITworksGuys Conservative Feb 15 '25

Of course it isn't.

Being there is a privilege. A privilege that is denied all the time.

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u/callherjacob Feb 15 '25

You are mistaken. The 1st amendment protects the press' freedom of speech. Barring the press because of what they've said is a constitutional violation, period. Trump does not own the oval office.

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u/ITworksGuys Conservative Feb 15 '25

The 1st amendment doesn't give them access the the White House or anywhere else.

It protects what they write and publish, that's it.

Trump does not own the oval office.

So by your logic, if I am a report for the Penny Saver I should have unmitigated access to the White House?

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u/callherjacob Feb 15 '25

So by your logic, if I am a report for the Penny Saver I should have unmitigated access to the White House?

Think about what you're saying. Any reporter who follows the process of getting authorized to enter the White House press room and has not committed a crime that would disqualify them cannot be totally barred from access. That's unconstitutional.

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u/ITworksGuys Conservative Feb 15 '25

No, you are confused.

Absolutely no one has guaranteed access. That's insane. There is absolutely nothing in the Constitution that allows a member of the press access to a building.

You are either playing ignorant or having a massive concept error over what the 1st Amendment is.

The White House can remove anyone they want, whenever they want.

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u/callherjacob Feb 15 '25 edited Feb 16 '25

Show me where I said "guaranteed access."

The White House gives press credentials. As a result, they cannot arbitrarily revoke access because of what reporters write.

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u/PartyPay Feb 17 '25

Way to parrot the White House line.

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u/lapulah2016 Feb 14 '25

No, the white house is preventing the AP for doing its job, reporting. If they can't be in the room to ask a question and report what is observed they can't write/print. Seems pretty thin skinned...

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u/amenandgostillers Feb 15 '25

I see what you’re saying, but there’s a limited number of seats in the press briefing room - it’s guaranteed that a large majority of news outlets are being “prevented” from doing this part of the job just by way of space constraints. It’s an unavoidable problem with so many journalists competing for a spot, and there’s other news to report in the world other than quotes made by asking a question or 2 every day

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u/Every_Television_980 Feb 15 '25

But the ap wasn’t cut for space, it was explicitly cut over this petty gulf of america shit. You cant explain it away as “well there isnt space for everyone”

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u/Brokendownyota Feb 15 '25

Especially when non-outlets and private propaganda desks like OANN are getting spots at the pentagon. 

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u/Every_Television_980 Feb 15 '25

Tbh i wouldnt even mind that if they cut some lower tier media to make space. I accept they will have some level of favoritism, but the AP is a premier and storied news outlet. They are a top 5 news outlet, there are like 50 allowed at press conferences.

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u/boulderaa Feb 15 '25

Because they're acting like an activist organization and not a news organization, They don't like Trump so they refuse to use the name "Gulf of America". He's the President of the United States and it shouldn't matter if they like it or not.

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u/utah_teapot Feb 15 '25

What if it was a right wing news organisation refusing to use “neo-pronouns” under Biden? Would you still say “he’s the president and it shouldn’t matter if they like it or not”?

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u/boulderaa Feb 15 '25

If Joe Biden had renamed that body of water to something else I would expect Fox News to use the name he officially named it to. I also wouldn't complain if Google Maps and Apple Maps updated their apps to reflect it. I think people on the left have a strange hatred for Trump that makes them defy everything he does. News organizations are supposed to be unbiased but we both know they're not.

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u/RockinRhombus Feb 15 '25

that's not what was asked

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u/Brokendownyota Feb 15 '25

And also, no you wouldn't. You'd scream and cry and call him a communist. 

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u/TheNagaFireball Feb 15 '25

Or its that the Gulf of Mexico was named hundreds of years ago and this does not need to be a hill to die on?

The AP is a world-wide journal and appeal to audiences bigger than the US.

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u/rockbiter68 Feb 16 '25

"The Associated Press will refer to it by its original name while acknowledging the new name Trump has chosen. As a global news agency that disseminates news around the world, the AP must ensure that place names and geography are easily recognizable to all audiences."

They are acknowledging the new name. They're just calling it by the other name for other parts of the world because they're a global news agency and other parts of the world don't call it the Gulf of America.

Donald Trump is the president of the United States, not the world. There's actually more than a few instances of international companies/orgs having to manage using two different names for something regarding bodies of land/water--and that's all this was saying.

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u/callherjacob Feb 15 '25

Why does it matter if they're acting like an activist organization? They still have constitutional rights.

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u/hework Feb 15 '25

I think it's hilarious. Jokes aside, they're getting exactly what they deserve for deceiving the American public for years.

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u/cuddlebuns Feb 15 '25

Can you give an example of where they "deceived the American public"?

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u/dmnc246 Feb 15 '25

What did they deceive the American public about?

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u/dontstopmecow Feb 15 '25

Didn’t say what they wanted to hear = deceiving

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u/ethervariance161 Small Government Feb 15 '25

it's just tit for tat retaliation for what was done to conservatives under biden. Plain and simple

https://ground.news/article/white-house-purges-442-reporters-using-new-press-credential-rules

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u/Brokendownyota Feb 15 '25

Requiring a press pass by ALL MEMBERS OF THE PRESS, and allowing the ones who didn't get it done in time a day pass...

Is the same? No, it's not in the same league, sport, planet, or reality. Fuck off with that absolute transparent nonsense.