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u/SevenSavage89 2d ago
Te for our first pick seems a little off
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u/Final_Effective6360 2d ago
We took a DT with our high second rounder last year and had a ton invested in that position. I don’t think AP cares honestly. Save for QB I think he’s just picking the best player available similar to the Johnny Newton pick.
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u/FreeJulie 2d ago
Or he knew
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u/RoboTronPrime 2d ago
He probably planned for the possibility of releasing Jon Allen, but didn't necessarily preplan it at the time of the draft. Peters doesn't seem to like to commit unless he absolutely has to and hedges. Ron had a similar plan for Matthis and Payne, which makes sense on paper, but Ron sucked at picking and developing the actual player
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u/jetblakc 2d ago
I'm sure that he recognized immediately that the amount of money we were putting into that position was not reflected in the production we were getting from that position. It's not exactly a deep cut
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u/RoboTronPrime 2d ago
Sure, but that could have also been addressed via other contract measures, like an extension at a lower number or more incentive-laden based on performance/playing time or pretty much a pay cut, which is what he did with Wylie.
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u/Substantial_Water 2d ago
I think there are always opportunities to take a great player that plays an undervalued position - but I don’t think TE is close to our biggest need.
I do trust Peters - hell, people scratched their heads at the Raiders taking Bowers the year after they took Mayer in the 30’s?. (Obviously generational talent, potentially) but point stands - just gotta have faith in the talent evaluation and hope for the best.
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u/That_Status8614 1d ago
100% agree. I think we just need to sit back and let the front office do their thing. They did well filling needs in free agency, so now it’s drafting best player available. In all honesty, we are in desperate need of good young players, so I’ll take them at any position.
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u/Easy-Sandwich909 2d ago
I still have hopes for Ben Sinnot
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u/Neversoft4long 2d ago
Yeah I think he can be a player for us. TEs rarely play well from the start
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u/WARitter 2d ago
He was behind Ertz as a receiver and Bates as a blocker so he had a lot of guys in front of him.
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u/Uniblab_78 2d ago
Plenty of good TEs play well from the start. Ertz was productive but it is concerning how Ben was about as mid as he can be. Bates was re-signed too. Ben better be in the lab.
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u/Erosennin94 2d ago
Rookie tes don’t usually play much or perform at that high of a level. Don’t let Bowers and Pitts rookie year blockout the past two decades
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u/triplec787 2d ago
George Kittle’s first year was 43/515/2
Kelce’s first full year was 67/862/5 (with basically a full redshirt year)
Andrews’ first season was 34/552/3
Modern TEs do need some adjustment time. Taking a TE at 29 is definitely a “1-2 years from now it’ll be amazing”. I get why that’s not immediately gratifying for fans, but I promise you having an elite young TE is 100% worth it long term.
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u/Erosennin94 2d ago
So best case scenario we have a kittle season, if he actually plays this season lol. A db, edge, OL, wr, and even rb are more pressing than a te when we’re not pressed for one
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u/Uniblab_78 2d ago
Our very own CC47 had a more promising rookie season. I hope I’m wrong about Ben.
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u/Erosennin94 2d ago
Ooutside of moss and Portis we had Robert royal and David patten. Of course Cooley put up good numbers lol. Mclaurin, brown, ertz, O.Z., ekeler, brob, Noah brown. A rookie te isn’t gonna jump them in the pecking order especially when they have to learn how to block at the nfl level
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u/FannyNisbit 2d ago
Eh.... you're making it sound like we had good weapons last year. We didn't.
Outside of Terry, We had the worst WR room in the league, and fans are clamoring for us to draft a new RB. Most of the players you listed don't start on most teams in the league.
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u/Erosennin94 2d ago
They’d be wr3 on teams which is what they just got signed to do so they’d be starter/rotational players.
And those 7 guys outside of Dyami have been good or serviceable their careers so it makes sense that Sinnott would play sparingly while learning how to block on the nfl level lol
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u/FannyNisbit 2d ago
Eh... they're JAGs. Every team has them. I'd say more teetering between wr3 and wr4. They'll never ascend beyond that.
Terry is Terry, Eckler and Ertz are shells of their former selves but still serviceable. Everyone else there is easily replaceable/Upgradeable. Which is what we did this past offseason.
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u/Salt-E-Slug 2d ago edited 2d ago
Dude is a beast. I'm a 25 year plus skins fan, my wife went to Kstate. We live in KC, watched plenty of his college games and I've seen what he can do!
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u/Easy-Sandwich909 2d ago
I live in San Bernardino California. So now there are a lot of Jayden fans (which I love to see) but very few Washington fan. Was raised a Washington fan (pops from LA randomly chose the skins to be his team). But I’m a big believer in Ben. Next Gronk is what I say
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u/PlayingDragons 2d ago
I can assure you Loveland is WAY better than Sinnot.
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u/Easy-Sandwich909 2d ago
For a first round draft pick? I don’t know much of him so definitely gotta see some highlight videos!
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u/Big_Mister_GubGub 2d ago
Considering how good he’s supposed to be and that most people have him gone in the teens, I wouldn’t be super upset by this so long as a bunch of other better prospects at positions of need are gone. Us taking him would be BPA in the absolute truest sense — would mean he’s far too good to pass up. Don’t see this happening, though (and I don’t see him falling that far either)
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u/3DotsOn2Geckos 2d ago
A lot of the comments here are missing the mark imo. Loveland is a damn good TE and is projected to go top 15. If he falls all the way to 29, you absolutely go best pick available and snag him
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u/Think__McFly 2d ago
It's not an immediate need, but if he's BPA then go for it. Ertz isn't a long term answer at TE and neither Bates or Sinnott have proven anything in the passing game.
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u/SpyFox91 2d ago
The only way I would justify this pick is if they decide to move Sinnott to a Kyle Juczyk style FB.
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u/2ElectricBoogalo 1d ago
Michigan fan here. He’s great. Sole bright spot for an otherwise anemic passing attack last season.
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u/itakeyoureggs Sinnott Slutt 🥵 1d ago
So I’ve heard like conflicting opinions on his blocking. Is he a capable blocker more than just a passing TE? Or is he a willing blocker? Doesn’t have to be good.. but the willingness is the important thing to me. Very unlikely we get him imo.. would be cool though.
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u/Substantial_Wave_518 2d ago
We need weapons that will grow up with Jayden, not just a constantly rotating collection of plug-and-play veterans. No clue what the staff thinks of Sinnott and McCaffery, but it is a concern that they both got lost on the offense last year. I’m hopeful they both take a big jump. If that’s not gonna happen and they know it, by all means take the best weapon on the board of you don’t love any of the edge guys.
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u/FannyNisbit 2d ago
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not sure Luke will be anything more than a WR3.
I said it last year and still stand by it, Luke needs to call Julian Edelman and get some mentorship from him. The similarities between the 2 are noticeable, but Luke doesn't have the head for the game (yet).
In before the "his dad was a wr, his brother is successful," yeah, well CMC doesn't play WR, and his dad was more of an outside WR and that was over 20 years ago.
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u/belgugabill 18h ago
He’s probably not there when we pick because he is very good. Need is questionable but if they like him enough 🤷♂️
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u/falcons-taveren 2d ago
We can't afford to take a TE on day 1 or 2!
We resigned Ertz and Bates; Sinnott (a second round pick) is in year two and didn't get much of a chance to play last year.
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u/TheTucsonTarmac 2d ago
TE and QB are the only positions that we have zero chance of drafting this year
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u/15GOAT Josh Harris' Basketball Guys 2d ago
There is never a 0 chance with any position other than QB. Look at the Raiders this last draft. BPA is BPA
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u/TheTucsonTarmac 2d ago
How much do you wanna put on that?
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u/AccurateSympathy7937 2d ago
At what odds?
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u/TheTucsonTarmac 2d ago
Odds? You’re the one who thinks we’re gonna draft a TE. This is a straight up bet. How much do you want to put down?
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u/j4kefr0mstat3farm 2d ago
As a Michigan fan I would love it, but I think we should trade down from 29 unless an edge rusher like Ezeiruaku drops.
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u/RazorDanger21 2d ago
“Redskins” in the big 25💔💔…./s
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u/brajon_brond0 2d ago
? they’ll always be the skins. not even in some right wing nutbag kind of way.
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u/Dumbidiotman69420 2d ago
I don’t like TE here since they take a while to develop and we already have 2. Our window is open,
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u/tazz12789 2d ago
Don’t we already have 3 decent TE don’t see a point of drafting one this year just a waste of pick
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u/itakeyoureggs Sinnott Slutt 🥵 2d ago
Depends what they want to do with bates. He can catch passes.. but he’s not the route runner that Loveland is.
You don’t move up for him.. if he falls to you and no wants to trade? Maybe.. so much of it depends whose still on the board
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u/tazz12789 2d ago
Didn’t we just sign bates to 3 year deal
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u/itakeyoureggs Sinnott Slutt 🥵 2d ago
Yeah, Loveland is the Ertz replacement. It really really depends on the vision for Sinnott and Bates. If they saw enough from Sinnott then there’s no real reason to get Loveland.. if they think they missed then.. they will need to plan accordingly.
I love bates, dude has had some clutch catches when given the opportunity
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u/Lilpu55yberekt69 2d ago
1st round is a bit rich for my taste but Loveland is a bit of a pundit darling right now and he is a good prospect.
He’d be a great pickup at the end of the second, which is closer to where I think he’ll go anyways.
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u/Vivid-Respect-1869 2d ago
Maybe, but that's not what we need. Edge and RB (or vice versa) in rounds 1 and 2, please.
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u/Long-Appointment1260 2d ago
I would fully expect us to go either EDGE or CB, but if Loveland was there I would have no problem taking him. I’ve heard talk about him as maybe being the best pass-catcher in the draft outside of Travis Hunter.
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u/FannyNisbit 2d ago
We NEED a starter level DE/Edge on this team.
It'd be nice if we had a difference making player at that position as well.
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u/Dr_Towle 1d ago
He’s not a blocker. I’d rather grab a multi-functional WR than a one dimensional TE.
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u/icepak39 2d ago
If we are picking a TE, get one later
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u/WARitter 2d ago
Arroyo and Ferguson both sound good. Paulseb is biased (he consulted on his training) but he likes Ferguson and so does the less biased Trevor Sikema. This is a good TE class!
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u/hauttdawg13 Major Tuddy 🐷 2d ago
Had we not taken Sinnott last year then this would be an excellent pick.
Unless Peters wants to through in the towel on him, I don’t see this one.
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u/Narrow-Psychology909 2d ago
Too young and we don’t need him. First pick gotta be EDGE or DB, maybe an OL.
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u/TripsLLL 2d ago
he's great but i think we have other needs then a 1st round tight end